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Crazycats1991 · 2022-05-24T18:50:36+00:00

I sold a ragdoll kitten last Monday at 14 weeks old from my litter of kittens 3 days later her eye has swollen and become infected the new owner has taken the kitten to the vet and it turns out she has herpes virus or Chlamydia virus from contact with another cat, she said he hasn't been near another cat but none of the other kittens in the litter are unwell and neither is mum and the other cat in my household. I have however offered to pay for half the vet fees. AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount Or AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees No receipt or contract was given and the kitten was in good spirits and seemed healthy and she even sent me videos of her playing and jumping about in her new home What should I do?

maddy68 · 25/05/2022 15:45

I would pay it all

cottagegardenflower · 25/05/2022 15:50

You should pay as you no doubt advertised the cats as healthy, vet checked and disease free. It's clear the kitten had contracted the disease, maybe from mum who is a symptomatic and needs checking, with her litter. So the kitten was not 'as described' and you could be taken to a small claims court. Having a court judgement against you is not a good idea. Pay up. It's not the new owners fault or responsibility. Your female could have caught it from the stud cat who may also be asymptomatic.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 25/05/2022 16:04

I really don't understand how people can sit there telling me I'm a back yard breeder and breeding for money when my kittens are alot cheaper than going rate as I don't breed to just make money or "use an animals womb" as one person put it.

But that's part of the problem. A well-bred kitten should cost more than £500.

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 16:08

I really don't understand how people can sit there telling me I'm a back yard breeder and breeding for money when my kittens are alot cheaper than going rate as I don't breed to just make money or "use an animals womb" as one person put it.

You're not understanding what people are saying. Making your kittens 'a lot cheaper than going rate' doesn't help them at all, does it?

It makes it more likely that an unscrupulous breeder will buy them as a bargain to breed from.

You say you have final day on who they breed with... how would you know if someone breeds from them and doesn't tell you?

viques · 25/05/2022 16:09

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 15:22

I don't think you understand what "enhancing the breed means" some ragdolls are predisposed to heart disease therefore if you only breed with other ragdolls that have been scanned to make sure they don't have heart disease over time if everyone did this they would eventually not be predisposed to heart disease therefore enhancing the breed. I put endorsements on the registration which allows me to prevent the kitten from being over bread and also have the final say on who she is bred with and I would not allow her to bred with a cat who has not been scanned all clear of any conditions.
This is what I mean by enhancing the breed so yes I believe if they could talk and understand they would agree that they would like to not have these conditions

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And yet within three days a kitten you had bred, and neglected to pass on the papers for, needed vet treatment……

there’s a saying, actions speak louder than words.

Crankley · 25/05/2022 16:09

MoobsAreNotBoobs
I’d be deleted if I said what really needed saying here. Fucking disgusting.

Exactly.

DialsMavis · 25/05/2022 16:21

How many litters do your cats have OP? What do you do with them when you are finished breeding them?

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 16:25

£52 to scan for HCM? My cats cardiologist charges £350 for a breed screen.

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:30

Alwayshoovering · 25/05/2022 15:45

I breed ethically and with care and compassion. There may well be plenty of moggies in the RSPCA but what you will not find is any of my cats I have a breeders clause where if they chose not to want their cat anymore they are to come back to me! They are only allowed to breed with another registered cat that I agree to therefore to enhance the gene pool and the bloodline.

Bollocks to all of the above, you state in your OP you gave no receipt or paperwork.
You are an unethical breeder, even if possibly not a back yard breeder, although it could be argued they are the same thing. Poor animals.

I said no receipt or contract of sale I did not say no paper work it literally has on her paperwork from TICA that they are not to be re-homed without notifying the breeder!

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:33

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 16:25

£52 to scan for HCM? My cats cardiologist charges £350 for a breed screen.

I don't know why yours are so different I don't do mine through the vets I do it through a company maybe that's the difference in cost

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:35

DialsMavis · 25/05/2022 16:21

How many litters do your cats have OP? What do you do with them when you are finished breeding them?

She's 4 years old and has had 2 litters and I wouldn't breed after the age of 5. They are my pets they stay with me I have 3 cats and it's not like I'd be going getting another cat to breed from after she has reached a certain age. But I expect that's not the answer you wanted as you want to hate me you want me to say I re-home them.

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:40

CannaeRemember · 25/05/2022 15:24

@Crazycats1991 The thing is, by selling your kittens so cheaply you are increasing the population of potential owners that want to breed and then themselves make some money. Keep your own cost high and it's less attractive as it's a much bigger investment for someone thinking about dabbling in breeding.

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But that's not possible with the cats I sell as they can't be overbred as the kittens can't be registered due the governing body wouldn't allow it as of the endorsements placed when the cat was registered.
If the price of kittens was higher people would save to buy to breed and breed excessively the lower the price the less likely people are to want to do it as it wouldn't be worth it

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:47

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 16:08

I really don't understand how people can sit there telling me I'm a back yard breeder and breeding for money when my kittens are alot cheaper than going rate as I don't breed to just make money or "use an animals womb" as one person put it.

You're not understanding what people are saying. Making your kittens 'a lot cheaper than going rate' doesn't help them at all, does it?

It makes it more likely that an unscrupulous breeder will buy them as a bargain to breed from.

You say you have final day on who they breed with... how would you know if someone breeds from them and doesn't tell you?

The people who have joined my list waiting for kittens don't even know the price when they ask to be on my waiting list it isn't like I advertise on the likes of pets4homes which is known for backyard breeders I announce the pregnancy on the breeds website and a list is formed from there, I do not list a price till the kittens arrive some are priced higher than others and I match kitten to perspective owner for example if someone just wants a family pet it doesn't matter if the ears are set further back than the breed standard where as if someone wants to show they are matched to a cat with correct conformation and therefore the price may be higher, if they want to breed I match a cat of good quality temperament and confirmation.
My question wasnt that I don't want to pay it was more that it's not possible for them to have herpes or Chlamydia as the stud or my cat can't possibly have it as both was tested before mating and both negative NOT asymptomatic negative

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wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 16:53

My question wasnt that I don't want to pay

Eh? Your thread title is "should I pay for their vet treatments" and your first post said:

AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount
Or
AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees

VickyGervais · 25/05/2022 16:55

Theres not many good cat/dog breeders around in my experience. But those that are better would have contacts through their breeding/shows that they could ask for advice, they wouldn’t be asking random people on the AIBU section on mumsnet.

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 16:57

VickyGervais · 25/05/2022 16:55

Theres not many good cat/dog breeders around in my experience. But those that are better would have contacts through their breeding/shows that they could ask for advice, they wouldn’t be asking random people on the AIBU section on mumsnet.

Absolutely. Poor kitties 😞

Aprilx · 25/05/2022 17:00

Crazycats1991 · 24/05/2022 20:27

My cat is health tested, vaccinated, microchipped and insured, I show ragdolls and have done since I was young! My kittens not only see the vet once they go for a full health check at 3 weeks and then leave fully vaccinated so go to the vets twice more before leaving I keep them till 14 weeks old so the socialise more with mother and siblings to allow them to be better all round cats, I sell my kittens for a hell of a lot less than they are worth as I believe it's not to make money out of rather enhancing the breed, just because I forgot to hand over the receipt does not make me a back yard breeder and if everybody spayed their cat there would no longer be any

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Well you need to stop behaving like a back street breeder then. Of course the kitten for this from your home / other cats. You ought to have proper insurance in place for the first five weeks, I have never come across a reputable breeder that does not have PetPlan in place for their kittens and puppies. I only hope the person unfortunate enough to purchase from you is able to warn others.

viques · 25/05/2022 17:01

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 16:40

But that's not possible with the cats I sell as they can't be overbred as the kittens can't be registered due the governing body wouldn't allow it as of the endorsements placed when the cat was registered.
If the price of kittens was higher people would save to buy to breed and breed excessively the lower the price the less likely people are to want to do it as it wouldn't be worth it

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But you are selling kittens to be bred from, you have said that very clearly in several posts. And you know that those kittens will be advertised and sold as rag dolls, even if they don’t have breed papers.

Floofboopsnootandbork · 25/05/2022 17:07

Not sure if this has already been said but the incubation period for herpes in cats is 5 days and chlamydia is a MINIMUM of 3 so if they’ve only had the kitten for 3 days then I’m sorry but both illnesses are from something your side.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 25/05/2022 17:22

You have the final say on who they breed with? How does that work exactly? That's a ridiculous statement to make

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 17:41

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 16:53

My question wasnt that I don't want to pay

Eh? Your thread title is "should I pay for their vet treatments" and your first post said:

AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount
Or
AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees

Sorry I didn't really end that comment well 🤣 I meant it was more should I pay for the veterinary treatment even though it doesn't seem possible it could be from my cats and she stopped at her mum's on the way home who has other cats.
I mentioned in a previous update that I spoke to her veterinary surgery as she sent me a photo of the card payment receipt for £120 turns out it included future worming and flea treatment, I have paid the vet bill for the cats eyes. I was querying paying as I don't believe it came from while she was in my care

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wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 17:44

I was querying paying as I don't believe it came from while she was in my care

As PP said, based on incubation periods this issue has arisen from the environment the kitten was kept in before she was sold on to the woman who wants to breed from her.

And as someone else upthread said, if you're really an experienced / ethical breeder... wouldn't you ask an expert about this instead of Mumsnet?

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 17:46

Itloggedmeoutagain · 25/05/2022 17:22

You have the final say on who they breed with? How does that work exactly? That's a ridiculous statement to make

Basically she must contact myself when she wants to breed so we can agree on the stud. for the kittens to be able to be registered she must get my permission. Inevitably yes she could or anyone else who buys a cat who is active or not can breed they just don't need to register. I will not as I don't agree with it spay a cat that is 14 weeks old.does this mean we shouldn't breed pedigree cats incase someone over breeds them?

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Undecicive · 25/05/2022 17:54

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 02:42

What even is TICA, I have never heard of it before. I thought GCCF was the official body.

Just a worldwide cat association.

VickyGervais · 25/05/2022 18:16

The more I read, the worse it gets. It’s pretty obvious the sort of person OP is. Unscrupulous, lying breeders are very tiresome to listen to.
Its textbook shitty breeder speak. As I said previously, any ‘reputable’ breeder, I use that term very loosely, will not be getting their advice from AIBU on mumsnet.