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Should I pay for their vet treatments

212 replies

Crazycats1991 · 24/05/2022 19:50

I sold a ragdoll kitten last Monday at 14 weeks old from my litter of kittens 3 days later her eye has swollen and become infected the new owner has taken the kitten to the vet and it turns out she has herpes virus or Chlamydia virus from contact with another cat, she said he hasn't been near another cat but none of the other kittens in the litter are unwell and neither is mum and the other cat in my household. I have however offered to pay for half the vet fees.
AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount
Or
AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees
No receipt or contract was given and the kitten was in good spirits and seemed healthy and she even sent me videos of her playing and jumping about in her new home
What should I do?

OP posts:
childofthecorn · 24/05/2022 21:47

Jesus, please stop profiting from.breeding at 500 quid a kitten. You're clearly an amateur, not a licensed breeder and a bit clueless about what happens next. Have a heart - every single needless kitten you create, you are taking a home off a dumped, unloved, rescue cat to make yourself some nice cash. Sickening, really

Jalepenojello · 24/05/2022 21:51

It has 100% caught it from your home considering the incubation period. You are the breeder here and morally it is absolutely your responsibility. Breeding animals is a huge tasks and very expensive and this is one of those things. If you aren’t willing to fork out for such events, then never breed again. You first concern should be their health and it doesn’t end the second they are sold.

Wheelz46 · 24/05/2022 21:55

I have googled the incubation period and it mentions 3-10 days, so sounds like the kitten has caught it while in your care.

I would have thought a reputable breeder would cover full costs due to ill health that happened in their care or offer to take back the kitten and give them a healthy one.

Bournetilly · 24/05/2022 22:02

The kitten must have caught it before going to it’s new home so I think you should pay the vets bills, or offer them a different kitten.
One of my sisters cats has the herpes virus, she has 3 cats from the same litter and the other 2 don’t have it so definitely possible that the other kittens won’t get it. It will likely cost them a lot in vets bills through the years.

WrigglyDonCat · 24/05/2022 22:10

All the PPs saying you can't spay/neuter at that age have not a clue of which they speak. It is routine for all major rescue organisations to do at 8-9 weeks these days, and all of my major local vets will do it.

Any vet trained in about the last 50 years is more than capable of it. It is a quicker, simpler, safer operation that kittens bounce back from much more easily. Have been doing it that way for over a decade during which time hundreds of kittens have passed through our branch's care (probably well over a thousand if I went back over records). We've never lost a kitten through early neutering.

Likewise all kittens are chipped - usually while they are under for the neutering.

Undecicive · 24/05/2022 22:15

WrigglyDonCat · 24/05/2022 22:10

All the PPs saying you can't spay/neuter at that age have not a clue of which they speak. It is routine for all major rescue organisations to do at 8-9 weeks these days, and all of my major local vets will do it.

Any vet trained in about the last 50 years is more than capable of it. It is a quicker, simpler, safer operation that kittens bounce back from much more easily. Have been doing it that way for over a decade during which time hundreds of kittens have passed through our branch's care (probably well over a thousand if I went back over records). We've never lost a kitten through early neutering.

Likewise all kittens are chipped - usually while they are under for the neutering.

I'd love to call your vet as I've spoken to at least 30 in my wider area an all refused. Major rescues neuter as young as 6 weeks but your regular vet practice won't.

romdowa · 24/05/2022 22:20

WrigglyDonCat · 24/05/2022 22:10

All the PPs saying you can't spay/neuter at that age have not a clue of which they speak. It is routine for all major rescue organisations to do at 8-9 weeks these days, and all of my major local vets will do it.

Any vet trained in about the last 50 years is more than capable of it. It is a quicker, simpler, safer operation that kittens bounce back from much more easily. Have been doing it that way for over a decade during which time hundreds of kittens have passed through our branch's care (probably well over a thousand if I went back over records). We've never lost a kitten through early neutering.

Likewise all kittens are chipped - usually while they are under for the neutering.

I currently have 2 10 week old kittens and vets in my area won't neuter until 16 weeks and even that was a push. They originally said 6 months.

Alwayshoovering · 24/05/2022 22:26

Yes you should pay up. Any reputable breeder would but it seems like you are just in it for the money. Very sad for the animals involved that sustain your lifestyle.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 24/05/2022 22:29

WrigglyDonCat · 24/05/2022 22:10

All the PPs saying you can't spay/neuter at that age have not a clue of which they speak. It is routine for all major rescue organisations to do at 8-9 weeks these days, and all of my major local vets will do it.

Any vet trained in about the last 50 years is more than capable of it. It is a quicker, simpler, safer operation that kittens bounce back from much more easily. Have been doing it that way for over a decade during which time hundreds of kittens have passed through our branch's care (probably well over a thousand if I went back over records). We've never lost a kitten through early neutering.

Likewise all kittens are chipped - usually while they are under for the neutering.

Rescues might neuter that early but most vet practises won't, so I wouldn't say OP was negligent for not getting the kittens spayed.

But she is negligent for not having the correct insurance in place, for not providing paperwork, for not having the kittens chipped and for not having mum (and other cat in the house) fully vaccinated and checked for disease before breeding.

OP - YABU and negligent to boot.

Lolabalola · 24/05/2022 22:40

It will almost certainly be from your cats
They can be asymptomatic carriers and the stress of moving home can bring it out in a kitten .
It would be decent to pay something
It is also sensible to sell with four weeks free insurance cover to prevent exactly this scenario.

Thehop · 24/05/2022 22:42

Braveasfook · 24/05/2022 20:04

YABU and you should have provided paperwork. Responsibly, you should have spayed and microchipped, updating new owner details before handover too. Did you have a transition pet insurance policy in place ?

All sound a bit cowboy tbh. How. Much did you sell the kitten for?

This

StarDolphins · 24/05/2022 22:43

I definitely think you should pay.

FiveShelties · 24/05/2022 22:47

Poor kitten.

I think you either need to do it properly with temporary ins cover etc or stop breeding your cats.

darlingdodo · 24/05/2022 22:53

You sold a tiny kitten to someone for £500 knowing the purchaser wants to breed from her. That poor animal. You are part of the problem of huge numbers of unwanted cats. Should be ashamed of yourself.

XelaM · 24/05/2022 23:09

coffeecupsandfairylights · 24/05/2022 22:29

Rescues might neuter that early but most vet practises won't, so I wouldn't say OP was negligent for not getting the kittens spayed.

But she is negligent for not having the correct insurance in place, for not providing paperwork, for not having the kittens chipped and for not having mum (and other cat in the house) fully vaccinated and checked for disease before breeding.

OP - YABU and negligent to boot.

But OP said she did all those things

Derbee · 24/05/2022 23:21

If you were a decent breeder, you wouldn’t be selling ill kittens. You would also have decent insurance to cover illness for the period before the new owners insurance kicks in.

The fact that you say your insurance only covers
accidents, not illness means that you are cutting corners and breeding irresponsibly.

Your main concern seems to be the cost to you, and fobbing off the new owner, rather than the welfare of the animals you have brought into the world. Pretty disgraceful

XelaM · 24/05/2022 23:59

Pet insurance usually doesn't cover illness within the first 2 weeks

XelaM · 25/05/2022 00:01

I think people are way too harsh on the OP.

Ragdolls are very expensive pedigree cats who are famous for their amazing temperaments. It would be a shame to let the breed die out.

Ohwowhoho · 25/05/2022 00:49

Sorry, you sold an active rag doll with no papers for 500?! Oh that poor thing. I can only imagine what’s going to happen to her.

I come from a family of breeders and I don’t agree with it but there’s a reason you can and SHOULD sell an active queen (with papers) for around £1800 depending on markings and that’s to stop people thinking they can make a quick buck.

Ohwowhoho · 25/05/2022 00:52

Also I imagine you registered with TICA and not GCCF as requirements are much lower and it’s much easier to register via them? Please think about what you are doing. Selling a cat for breeding at £500 is really not a good think especially when you clearly don’t know what you’re doing.

Bunty55 · 25/05/2022 01:09

As someone who has bred a litter of dogs ( years ago) from my pet (only one litter) and as someone who cared for the puppies and the mum dearly, and took out insurance and had them KC registered I would say; it is your kitty whom you should still love and therefore the decent thing to do would be to want the kitty to be OK.

Pay

ElenaSt · 25/05/2022 01:13

XelaM · 25/05/2022 00:01

I think people are way too harsh on the OP.

Ragdolls are very expensive pedigree cats who are famous for their amazing temperaments. It would be a shame to let the breed die out.

You do realise that buying a cheap pedigree cat could mean that it's life will be to spawn endless litters of kittens?

A higher price may put off people looking to breed the cat to death.

StoppinBy · 25/05/2022 01:15

It's been 3 days, of course the kitten contracted it at your house.

You should contact all your other kitten purchasers and warn them as well as keep an eye on all of your cats.

Yes, you are responsible for the bills to treat the initial outbreak, going forwards though now that the owners know the cat has the disease, they can either return her to you and you refund their purchase price or they keep her knowingly and are responsible for any further related vet fees.

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 01:17

Ohwowhoho · 25/05/2022 00:49

Sorry, you sold an active rag doll with no papers for 500?! Oh that poor thing. I can only imagine what’s going to happen to her.

I come from a family of breeders and I don’t agree with it but there’s a reason you can and SHOULD sell an active queen (with papers) for around £1800 depending on markings and that’s to stop people thinking they can make a quick buck.

I agree. Poor little thing 😞

Imnotanumber · 25/05/2022 01:23

YABU for trading in living creatures