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Should I pay for their vet treatments

212 replies

Crazycats1991 · 24/05/2022 19:50

I sold a ragdoll kitten last Monday at 14 weeks old from my litter of kittens 3 days later her eye has swollen and become infected the new owner has taken the kitten to the vet and it turns out she has herpes virus or Chlamydia virus from contact with another cat, she said he hasn't been near another cat but none of the other kittens in the litter are unwell and neither is mum and the other cat in my household. I have however offered to pay for half the vet fees.
AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount
Or
AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees
No receipt or contract was given and the kitten was in good spirits and seemed healthy and she even sent me videos of her playing and jumping about in her new home
What should I do?

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GoFishandChips · 25/05/2022 14:25

when my kittens are alot cheaper than going rate

This is a big part of why you are being criticized. Reputable breeders charge a lot of money because breeding healthy kittens is an expensive hobby and if done right there is very little profit in it (apart from the owners of studs) due to the huge amount of health screenings, pregnancy checks etc that should be done.

Also the fact that you don't charge a lot means you are selling to people who are looking for a "bargain" rather than investing in being reputable breeders or the amount of special care and diet a purebred needs.

GoFishandChips · 25/05/2022 14:28

This woman came to my house with 3 young children one of which was screaming and the other two running around

And you thought that was a good home for a kitten?! WTAF, is this a wind up?? Did the woman know anything about the breed she wants to profit from??

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:31

I understand some people want a little fury friend that costs £50. But others do not. I do a damn site more than most breeders do! I just do not and will not ever agree to spay a kitten before 6 months, kittens that people do wish to breed from I do not sell as ACTIVE and therefore cannot breed from them, and I only sell a kitten that is ACTIVE if they meet the breed standard therefore this enhances the breed itself.
British short hairs have an amazing temperament why should they not be alive because some cretin let their uneutred cat roam free and have unwanted babies when I have a waiting list for them?

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Poppyseed14 · 25/05/2022 14:34

With no paperwork surely this ragdoll is just a very expensive moggy?

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:37

I chose to only cover my costs hence why so cheap, if you believe there is money to be made in breeding then you are crazy the food the vet bills the damage to your house it is not worth it.
Are people with children not allowed a cat now? And are children not allowed to be excited for their new kitten they are picking up after waiting 20 weeks for? She told me about 3 times they're not usually like this and the kitten was playing happily around them.
If I had said I charge £1000 I'd have people telling me I use animals I say I charge £500 and I have people complaining I don't charge enough and I'm the problem you can not do right from wrong

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Ihatethenewlook · 25/05/2022 14:38

Are you serious? You’ve got your head so far up your arse you don’t even realise what a horrible breeder you’re coming across as on here. Some woman has honestly turned up at your house with 3 children completely out of control, one literally screaming so badly that your head was so battered you’d forgotten the paperwork, and you allowed these people to take home one of these poor kittens? What about this family/situation said to you ‘oh yes, what a perfect environment for a small kitten’? 😡

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:39

Poppyseed14 · 25/05/2022 14:34

With no paperwork surely this ragdoll is just a very expensive moggy?

She does have paperwork?! She just didn't take the paper the I had written up stating how much she paid and the date.
She has all her paperwork including her parentage

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Ihatethenewlook · 25/05/2022 14:40

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:37

I chose to only cover my costs hence why so cheap, if you believe there is money to be made in breeding then you are crazy the food the vet bills the damage to your house it is not worth it.
Are people with children not allowed a cat now? And are children not allowed to be excited for their new kitten they are picking up after waiting 20 weeks for? She told me about 3 times they're not usually like this and the kitten was playing happily around them.
If I had said I charge £1000 I'd have people telling me I use animals I say I charge £500 and I have people complaining I don't charge enough and I'm the problem you can not do right from wrong

If she can’t even get her children to behave normally at the actual breeders house, then why on earth do you think they behave more normally at home??

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:40

Ihatethenewlook · 25/05/2022 14:38

Are you serious? You’ve got your head so far up your arse you don’t even realise what a horrible breeder you’re coming across as on here. Some woman has honestly turned up at your house with 3 children completely out of control, one literally screaming so badly that your head was so battered you’d forgotten the paperwork, and you allowed these people to take home one of these poor kittens? What about this family/situation said to you ‘oh yes, what a perfect environment for a small kitten’? 😡

We'd had multiple video calls whilst once before the kitten had even been born and weekly afterwards and her house was often very quiet and the children were calm, would your children not be excited when picking their new cat up?

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Hortensiateapot · 25/05/2022 14:41

Hafera · 24/05/2022 20:06

Yes you should pay imo. Reputable breeders usually sell with temporary insurance in place.
Infectious viruses at that age will almost definitely be acquired from mum with symptoms so soon after going to her new home, the stress of the journey could be enough for symptoms to start. Not all cats who carry these diseases display symptoms, typically some will display symptoms in times of stress. Mum must be a carrier, you probably shouldn't breed from her again.

This

GoFishandChips · 25/05/2022 14:41

And are children not allowed to be excited for their new kitten they are picking up after waiting 20 weeks for?

Excited yes, running around and screaming so much you forgot to give a recipt, no. Because decent owners to be would have warned them that their loudness might frighten the kitten, whether said kitten was frightened or not is irrelevant.

mcmooberry · 25/05/2022 14:46

Herpes and chlamydia haven't been confirmed yet I think everyone should calm down! I suspect the vet (rightly) commented that it could be a cause of conjunctivitis in a kitten.

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 14:52

This woman came to my house with 3 young children one of which was screaming and the other two running around which was why when I handed over the TICA paperwork I forgot to handover the receipt for the kitten.

What a lovely environment to sell a kitten into so she can get pregnant, probably repeatedly, to make other people money too.

Jesus.

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 14:53

I chose to only cover my costs hence why so cheap, if you believe there is money to be made in breeding then you are crazy the food the vet bills the damage to your house it is not worth it.

Ah yes, famously no breeders make money from it 🙄

Catch yourself on OP.

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:54

mcmooberry · 25/05/2022 14:46

Herpes and chlamydia haven't been confirmed yet I think everyone should calm down! I suspect the vet (rightly) commented that it could be a cause of conjunctivitis in a kitten.

Thank you, I have spoken with her vets directly she told me the bill was £120 and sent a photo of just the card receipt what she had actually paid for was flea and worming treatment she does however have an infection in her left eye which they have said could be herpes Chlamydia or bacterial or fungal infection they did say that the cat doesn't have any other signs of herpes or Chlamydia as she doesn't have any other upper respiratory symptoms. I have paid £12.70 for the eye treatment I will not be paying for the worming and flea treatment for the kitten as that is the responsibility of the new owner as she was wormed and flead before leaving myself

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starlingdarling · 25/05/2022 14:58

Why do people hate cat breeders so much? If it was easy to adopt rescues I'd have one but instead I went to a breeder because adopting was nigh on impossible.

The rescues either wouldn't respond, only had cats with lifelong illnesses that were pretty uninsurable, needed a single cat household or decided where we live is too busy (a road in a village well away from the high street that sees one bus per hour and only residential traffic). One even said they didn't like both owners to work full time (DH works from home most of the time, I work from home 3 days a week).

We've got two pedigree cats from different breeders now. A 6 year old and a 1 year old. As far as our vet is concerned we're responsible owners with two happy cats. To rescue agencies, we were potential cat abusers not worthy of their time.

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 15:00

wellhelloitsme · 25/05/2022 14:53

I chose to only cover my costs hence why so cheap, if you believe there is money to be made in breeding then you are crazy the food the vet bills the damage to your house it is not worth it.

Ah yes, famously no breeders make money from it 🙄

Catch yourself on OP.

Do you know how much a litter of kittens eat?! I feed Royal cannin which is around £50 a bag factor in vaccinations, vet checks, worming fleaing, cat litter, cat toys, I HCM scan all kittens which is £52 it costs to register kittens, it costs to advertise, I have cameras so I can keep an eye on them whilst at work and I also pay for someone to come in once a day to feed them whilst at work, then a £350 stud fee on top, plus supplements for mum and kitten milk replacer for top ups and the extra electricity for heat lamps and pads.
Yes if you do the bare minimum and actually are a back yard breeder like people have claimed I am you could easily make about £400 on it I however am not a back yard breeder

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girlmom21 · 25/05/2022 15:02

Are people with children not allowed a cat now?

Not ones who don't behave appropriately around them or whose parents just want to use them for breeding, no.

Darkstar4855 · 25/05/2022 15:08

“Enhances the breed” jesus they are animals, not objects. That’s a pretty rubbish justification for breeding them, cats don’t care if their breed is “enhanced” 🙄

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 15:16

starlingdarling · 25/05/2022 14:58

Why do people hate cat breeders so much? If it was easy to adopt rescues I'd have one but instead I went to a breeder because adopting was nigh on impossible.

The rescues either wouldn't respond, only had cats with lifelong illnesses that were pretty uninsurable, needed a single cat household or decided where we live is too busy (a road in a village well away from the high street that sees one bus per hour and only residential traffic). One even said they didn't like both owners to work full time (DH works from home most of the time, I work from home 3 days a week).

We've got two pedigree cats from different breeders now. A 6 year old and a 1 year old. As far as our vet is concerned we're responsible owners with two happy cats. To rescue agencies, we were potential cat abusers not worthy of their time.

I wouldn't mind but I don't really think I've done anything wrong other than not picking a receipt up off the coffee table and putting it in her hand along with all the other paperwork I'd already handed over.
I have a waiting list as long as my arm for kittens and if I didn't have a waiting list I wouldn't breed, I advertise my queen on the TICA website as she came reserve champion in the last she we entered this list has more than doubled. I could charge well over what I do but I choose not to.
I put endorsements on their ACTIVE registration to prevent over breeding, inbreeding and breeding without considering if it is enhancing the breed.
I'm glad you love your cats and they are healthy x

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Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 15:22

Darkstar4855 · 25/05/2022 15:08

“Enhances the breed” jesus they are animals, not objects. That’s a pretty rubbish justification for breeding them, cats don’t care if their breed is “enhanced” 🙄

I don't think you understand what "enhancing the breed means" some ragdolls are predisposed to heart disease therefore if you only breed with other ragdolls that have been scanned to make sure they don't have heart disease over time if everyone did this they would eventually not be predisposed to heart disease therefore enhancing the breed. I put endorsements on the registration which allows me to prevent the kitten from being over bread and also have the final say on who she is bred with and I would not allow her to bred with a cat who has not been scanned all clear of any conditions.
This is what I mean by enhancing the breed so yes I believe if they could talk and understand they would agree that they would like to not have these conditions

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CannaeRemember · 25/05/2022 15:24

Crazycats1991 · 25/05/2022 14:37

I chose to only cover my costs hence why so cheap, if you believe there is money to be made in breeding then you are crazy the food the vet bills the damage to your house it is not worth it.
Are people with children not allowed a cat now? And are children not allowed to be excited for their new kitten they are picking up after waiting 20 weeks for? She told me about 3 times they're not usually like this and the kitten was playing happily around them.
If I had said I charge £1000 I'd have people telling me I use animals I say I charge £500 and I have people complaining I don't charge enough and I'm the problem you can not do right from wrong

@Crazycats1991 The thing is, by selling your kittens so cheaply you are increasing the population of potential owners that want to breed and then themselves make some money. Keep your own cost high and it's less attractive as it's a much bigger investment for someone thinking about dabbling in breeding.

Crazykatie · 25/05/2022 15:31

£500 you pay the vet bill in full and don’t argue at all
unbelievable, I knew dogs were silly prices not cats

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 25/05/2022 15:43

Not everybody who breeds is a bad breeder

You're a shitty breeder.

Alwayshoovering · 25/05/2022 15:45

I breed ethically and with care and compassion. There may well be plenty of moggies in the RSPCA but what you will not find is any of my cats I have a breeders clause where if they chose not to want their cat anymore they are to come back to me! They are only allowed to breed with another registered cat that I agree to therefore to enhance the gene pool and the bloodline.

Bollocks to all of the above, you state in your OP you gave no receipt or paperwork.
You are an unethical breeder, even if possibly not a back yard breeder, although it could be argued they are the same thing. Poor animals.