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Should I pay for their vet treatments

212 replies

Crazycats1991 · 24/05/2022 19:50

I sold a ragdoll kitten last Monday at 14 weeks old from my litter of kittens 3 days later her eye has swollen and become infected the new owner has taken the kitten to the vet and it turns out she has herpes virus or Chlamydia virus from contact with another cat, she said he hasn't been near another cat but none of the other kittens in the litter are unwell and neither is mum and the other cat in my household. I have however offered to pay for half the vet fees.
AIBU to only offer half the vet fees and should pay the full amount
Or
AINBU and i don't need to pay any of the vet fees
No receipt or contract was given and the kitten was in good spirits and seemed healthy and she even sent me videos of her playing and jumping about in her new home
What should I do?

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 25/05/2022 01:29

No paperwork or backup? That's pure back yard breeder stuff.
Our puppy came with a YEAR'S refund policy in writing should we not ''Click'' or there was a problem, {On a sliding scale, the last month will give a percentage of purchase price, but she fitted in beautifully from day 1 as a well socialised well reared pup. {Contacted via a breed club, not bought online}

Despite ours being a female, and purebred she is due to be spayed after her first season, Her uterine horns are not my cash dispenser.

The kittens should also have 4 weeks free insurance along with a microchip.

I think you should pay. 3 days in is nothing. And then spay the cat.

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 02:39

XelaM · 25/05/2022 00:01

I think people are way too harsh on the OP.

Ragdolls are very expensive pedigree cats who are famous for their amazing temperaments. It would be a shame to let the breed die out.

No they really aren't t being to harsh. I had two Persian breeding queens who were rescued from a kitten farm. One had HCM and will have undoubtedly passed it on to her kittens. Between the pair of them they ran up vets bills of £22k. They were part of a group of six. Out of that group only two are still alive. All died young. People like the OP make me very angry.

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 02:42

What even is TICA, I have never heard of it before. I thought GCCF was the official body.

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/05/2022 02:53

So your queen hasn't been tested since being mated... so she could indeed be carrying something she's passed on to your other cats/kittens.

You should test for some things regularly 'I tested before her last mating' is not sufficient and you really ought to know that, as you ought to know the incubation period and that some conditions don't show physical symptoms yet an animal can still be a carrier infecting others.

Pay for the treatment. Get ALL your other cats and kittens tested and pay for their treatment too.

autienotnaughty · 25/05/2022 04:20

I'd pay half as a good gesture unless any of your cats show signs then I'd pay full. I'd want receipts first tho.

SugarHorse · 25/05/2022 04:33

WildOats5678 · 24/05/2022 20:20

I think you ought to not be a backyard breeder and get your cat spayed.

^^ This - 100%. Animals are not commodities for you to make money out of 😠

ChristineCagney11 · 25/05/2022 04:38

Toddlerteaplease · 25/05/2022 02:39

No they really aren't t being to harsh. I had two Persian breeding queens who were rescued from a kitten farm. One had HCM and will have undoubtedly passed it on to her kittens. Between the pair of them they ran up vets bills of £22k. They were part of a group of six. Out of that group only two are still alive. All died young. People like the OP make me very angry.

@Toddlerteaplease
Yes my blood is boiling..
Nothing to add really except
Please adopt rescues don't breed
If any of you are wondering why some of us are coming across "a bit rude"
Go and spend a week volunteering at a rescue..or a day..or rescue a cat and hear about it's history
Pay the bill OP I'm sure you can afford it

Ithinkimightbebroken · 25/05/2022 05:39

Has the mother been fully vaccinated?
Why are they not registered with the GCCF?

Its almost certain that one of your cats is an asymptomatic carrier. I would get them all tested to see who and what exactly your dealing with. The kitten should also have proper viral testing.

Personally, if I had bred a sick animal I would offer to take it back with a full refund and then keep it for life.

XelaM · 25/05/2022 05:46

One thing I don't quite understand. If they want to breed from this cat, surely now they know she has herpes and will be a carrier - they can't breed from her anymore? Do they not now want to return the kitten to you for a refund?

SlowHorses · 25/05/2022 05:52

Like their aren’t already enough cats in world.

Stop it.

liveforsummer · 25/05/2022 05:58

TurquoiseDragon · 24/05/2022 20:01

3 days, 3 years. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is that none of your cats have shown any infection. If you want to pay haalf the fees, that's fine, but don't be guilted into paying any more.

Not irrelevant at all, after only 3 days it's highly likely or came from OP's home especially if new owner has none. It's also a very irresponsible breeder who sells a cat without contract or the usual transitional insurance which is cheap and a simple protection against being liable for these costs. Lesson learned!

MoobsAreNotBoobs · 25/05/2022 06:08

I’d be deleted if I said what really needed saying here. Fucking disgusting.

🤬

Gingerkittykat · 25/05/2022 06:16

XelaM · 25/05/2022 00:01

I think people are way too harsh on the OP.

Ragdolls are very expensive pedigree cats who are famous for their amazing temperaments. It would be a shame to let the breed die out.

Ragdolls are amazing, I have one from a registered breeder and adore here.

The reason unregistered breeders are a bad thing with ragdolls is that they are prone to cardiomyopathy and chronic kidney disease. The heart condition has been wiped out in the registered population but is really common in unregistered ragdolls and the ones that get ill live a short miserable life.

There is a limited pol of unregistered ragdolls out there, because of that there is a high chance of interbreeding. It's just not worth the risk of buying an unregistered ragdoll.

londonrach · 25/05/2022 06:21

Of course you pay...3 days and cat is I'll...no paperwork. You don't sound like a good breeder. I suspect your other cat and kitten s show it soon

coffeecupsandfairylights · 25/05/2022 06:22

@XelaM she hasn't done all of those things because her "queen" has produced kittens with herpes - which wouldn't have happened if she'd had her and the stud screened and vaccinated correctly.

She also said upthread she didn't sell the kittens with any of the required paperwork.

Breeders insurance should cover any illness that occurs within the first two weeks - that's why owners should take out their own policy before the breeders' insurance expires, so that when the breeders insurance expires, their own policy has been in place for a fortnight and kicks in to cover any new conditions and illness if necessary.

PetPlan Breeders insurance is free and covers illness and injury for upto 4k with no two-week exclusion.

ittakes2 · 25/05/2022 06:27

Ring the vet and ask their advice if they think it was from your cats

liveforsummer · 25/05/2022 06:29

Rescues might neuter that early but most vet practises won't, so I wouldn't say OP was negligent for not getting the kittens spayed.

That's not really relevant here as OP sold this as a breeding animal so no attempt was made. Selling a breed such as a rag doll for as little as £500 knowing the intention was to breed with it even a basic contract is absolutely highly negligent. From the people I know who breed animals (responsibly) they'd offer to take the cat back in these circumstances. Actually that would all be in the contract. It's not as simple as forgetting receipt - the contract ensures the well-being of the animal for life. My friend has recently taken back a dog 2 years on from selling it. No refund given as the dog in this circumstance as dog was in picture of health just poor ownership caused issues solved within days of dog being back but illness after 3 days - absolutely!

coffeecupsandfairylights · 25/05/2022 07:00

liveforsummer · 25/05/2022 06:29

Rescues might neuter that early but most vet practises won't, so I wouldn't say OP was negligent for not getting the kittens spayed.

That's not really relevant here as OP sold this as a breeding animal so no attempt was made. Selling a breed such as a rag doll for as little as £500 knowing the intention was to breed with it even a basic contract is absolutely highly negligent. From the people I know who breed animals (responsibly) they'd offer to take the cat back in these circumstances. Actually that would all be in the contract. It's not as simple as forgetting receipt - the contract ensures the well-being of the animal for life. My friend has recently taken back a dog 2 years on from selling it. No refund given as the dog in this circumstance as dog was in picture of health just poor ownership caused issues solved within days of dog being back but illness after 3 days - absolutely!

Yeah, I know she's intending for the kittens to be bred.

My point was a PP said it was negligent of her to sell the kittens un-neutered - and I was just pointing out that most vet practises won't neuter that young, so the lack of neutering by itself isn't a red flag.

But all the other negligent practises by the OP definitely are red flags 🚩

Itloggedmeoutagain · 25/05/2022 07:15

XelaM · 25/05/2022 00:01

I think people are way too harsh on the OP.

Ragdolls are very expensive pedigree cats who are famous for their amazing temperaments. It would be a shame to let the breed die out.

Then do it properly and safely!

Cherrysoup · 25/05/2022 07:16

So you breed for money as opposed to improving the breed? Obviously the kitten has this from the mum, unless you have multiples and allowed them to mix with the babies? A decent breeder would offer a full refund and take back the kitten. You obviously shouldn’t sell the others until they’re fully tested. You might need to create an isolation pen outside for the affected cats.

SarahSissions · 25/05/2022 07:17

Reputable breeders in this situation would be offering to take the kitten back and pay in full or if the owner wants to keep the kitten then pay a contribution 75-50% depending on the cost.

Amicompletelyinsane · 25/05/2022 07:18

Has the vet actually done tests to prove its a virus or does it just look like it. I'd want them to actually run a lab test to get a real answer first

BadWolf2022 · 25/05/2022 07:27

You clearly shouldn't be breeding your cats. No paperwork and only 3 days with new owner and poorly, this is why they brought in new laws to stop this kind of thing.

Get your cat spaded and stop breeding it for money.

OnaBegonia · 25/05/2022 07:51

Stop breeding and take the kitten back, the fact you're selling kittens knowing they will be used for breeding is pretty deplorable.
Clearly not reputable or they'd be far more than £500, hope you declare your earnings.

RedHelenB · 25/05/2022 08:16

childofthecorn · 24/05/2022 21:47

Jesus, please stop profiting from.breeding at 500 quid a kitten. You're clearly an amateur, not a licensed breeder and a bit clueless about what happens next. Have a heart - every single needless kitten you create, you are taking a home off a dumped, unloved, rescue cat to make yourself some nice cash. Sickening, really

That's not actually true. Some people don't want a rescue and would have no cat rather than a rescue.