WIBU to ask why people are so weird about cry it out?

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OK, I know already how this is going to go and what views about this are on Mumsnet, but my question I guess is why people are so against cry it out methods? Recent research showed no differences in babies' behaviour/happiness/attachment etc. between cry it out and other sleep training methods. I'm always surprised by how strongly people are against it, especially as anyone born in the 80s or before probably were trained that way.

Enlighten me! Is using cry it out unreasonable? Why/why not?

@Pyri

Some poor sleep deprived mother suffering from PND might actually believe your words which are based on you totally misunderstanding what posters are actually talking about

This is actually laughable because THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY SAYING if you had bothered to read my posts!!!!

I said when a parents is at the end of their tether sleep deprived then it's not going to cause any major issues if done a few times!!!
It's a consistent pattern of CIO that will!!!

You could not be more wrong @LuckySantangelo35

Need sleep training?? 😂

Utterly bizarre to me how anyone could do it

It would totally stress me out if I let my baby cry. I don't see why one would. A routine started from day one worked with my kids. I never let them cry more than a couple minutes. It's how you handle that crying (went in to sooth, checked baby was dry, do not pick up do not turn in light. 9 out of ten baby went back to sleep after a few minutes.
Lucky? May be.

The poster did refer to CIO.

Sleep training is an umbrella term that refers to a wide range of approaches so I can't comment on each one. It's impossible.

However, i do think the Ferber approach (that's been mentioned a few times) is one of the harsher ones. I'm also aware that some sleep training may consist of camping next to your child's bed and offering a soothing hand to calm them. I'm not saying that is bad.

I'm saying that the CIO which is in the title of the thread is not one I would recommend and will cause attachment issues in the future.

No one is gonna damage their kids by letting them cry for a bit. End of.

@LuckySantangelo35

No one is gonna damage their kids by letting them cry for a bit. End of.

I don't think anyones saying that.

@Bambi7

The cio st method does not cause attachment issues.

No st method does

Well I think the CIO method would.

well a couple of people are. They are saying it will lead to attachment disruption

@Bambi7

Well, you're wrong

Despite your education

Research it

You are wrong despite your non education.

Research it.

I have

That's how I know you're wrong

Me too 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Bambi7

You too what?

You haven't researched the effects of cio as a st method on attachment because you didn't even know what it was 5 minuted ago.

I know what CIO is and as I've explained before ST is an umbrella term. There are many approaches that come under it - so how can I know the process of them all.

Even DR Ferber has revisited his approach and modified it.

If I consistently ignored my child's crying when he was in his cot than it would cause some sort of emotional damage and more susceptible to anxiety disorders, attachment issues - loss avoidant attachment but more likely to be insecure attachment, panic disorders. I think ignoring a child's crying is likely to increase trauma as this is the part of their development where their learning how to trust. Also persistent crying produces cortisol and stress hormones to rocket. There is so much research if you find it and not just 'Google'.

@Bambi7

Whats consistently ignored?

Whats persistent crying?

Whats level of cortisol is a rocket?

You're stating that there is no form of sleep training that causes issues even the cry it out methods.

Preposterous.

What's your psychology background?

Zero, obviously 🙄

@Bambi7

Can you answer the questions?

Yes, thats what I'm stating because that's what all the available evidence shows.

@Topgub

Whats consistently ignored?

Their crying, obviously 🙄

Whats persistent crying?

Crying that's persistent obviously 🙄

Whats level of cortisol is a rocket?

Cortisol is a stress hormone. The levels of cortisol increases with crying - there is research on this.

So it's quarter to midnight and my babies crying. Should I just leave him to cry?
I guess it's ok isn't it as it won't cause any harm?

Still crying one minute later. Any advice? I'm super tired and need to sleep....

@Bambi7

Define consistently.

What time period? What occasions?

Define persistent.

What time period? What occasions?

I know what cortisol is.

I know levels can increase from crying. They can also increase from breastfeeding feeding and can decrease from crying

So when do they rocket?

Whenever a baby cries? If its not responded to immediately? After 2 min?

How long do levels stay rocketed for?

How long do they need to be rocketed for do disrupt attachment?

He's still crying @Topgub any recommendations?