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What were you doing on November 13th 2020

666 replies

TeaAndChoccie · 23/05/2022 22:34

while the PM was partying.....?

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Stylishkidintheriot · 24/05/2022 12:52

Sitting greeting because The rules meant I couldn’t go to Glasgow for my mums 70th birthday

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 24/05/2022 12:56

I was WFH, and had been doing for 8 months. It would be another 5 months before I’d be allowed to set foot in the office again, and another 10 months before I’d be allowed to go back to actually working in the office. WFH was destroying my mental health, and it was going to get much, much worse before it eventually got better. I’d have given anything to have been allowed to see my colleagues F2F.

AndStand · 24/05/2022 12:56

I was screaming at home (alone) because DH was in hospital (alone) and had just been told he had 4 to 6 weeks to live.
Turned out to be a misdiagnosis and he's still here. But that was a terrible day.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/05/2022 12:59

Clavinova · 24/05/2022 12:50

Roussette
How do you know they all worked together?
Apparently not, from what I've read.

How did Boris Johnson 'orchestrate the event' if they were not all working closely together? Surely you are contradicting yourself? With this -

"Interestingly, he orchestrated the event and encouraged those there to fill their glasses."

Also, the glasses look half full to me (before the toast) -

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/23/sue-gray-report-partygate-boris-johnson-downing-street-uk-politics-latest

Here he is being asked straight off, was there a gathering on Nov.13th? He says NO. He was there!

Article in Full Fact from January -

While some people appear to have taken Mr Johnson’s “no” as a denial that a party was held on 13 November, it’s not clear from his response that that was the case. The way that Ms West’s question was asked could mean that Mr Johnson was instead declining to “tell the House whether there was a party”.

Furthermore, Ms West asked Mr Johnson specifically about a “party”. The report collated by Ms Gray describes all the events she investigated as “gatherings”, including the two listed on 13 November—so even if Mr Johnson had said on 8 December that there was no party, that would not necessarily have been contradicted by Ms Gray’s findings.

fullfact.org/news/boris-johnson-downing-street-party-13-november-2020/

WTAF? So the PM didn't lie. Everyone in the country just got the wrong end of the stick? Catch yerself on @Clavinova.😂😂😂

THE TORY PARTY DON'T CARE.
THEY THINK YOU ARE ALL THICK.

Clavinova · 24/05/2022 13:12

Starmer had a dinner with people he was campaigning with whilst working. I have no idea why they lied about number of people that's just odd.

Very odd indeed -

order-order.com/2022/05/16/starmer-revises-count-up-from-6-to-15-attendees-at-beergate/

Barrister Adam Wagner acknowledges that Starmer and co didn't follow the guidance for pre-election constituency visits at the time - they should not have eaten (or worked together) inside if they were following the guidance. Whether they broke the law as well remains to be seen.

TossCointoYerWitcher · 24/05/2022 13:18

Am I missing something?

How is inviting your interior designer or blasting out ABBA songs or bringing in suitcases on wine “a drink with people you are working with”?

People are deliberately minimising things here.

Onlythelaundryfairy · 24/05/2022 13:21

Recovering from working a night shift in COVID icu.

TalbotAMan · 24/05/2022 13:24

I was at work. I can't remember the details of exactly what I did, but I my diary records that I travelled to a place of work. I wasn't WFH.

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 13:32

'How is inviting your interior designer or blasting out ABBA songs or bringing in suitcases on wine “a drink with people you are working with”?'

We don't know if anyone was blasting abba songs out, though it's a popular mn tale.

BJ was fined for the one where his interior designer allegedly said happy birthday in an office at a wild party that lasted 9mins.

lameasahorse · 24/05/2022 13:35

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dizzydizzydizzy · 24/05/2022 13:36

IstayedForTheFeminism · 23/05/2022 22:35

Probably staying at home, saving lives and protecting the NHS.

This!

Hate those useless bunch of twats who can't even follow their own rules. GRRRR!

GoodJanetBadJanet · 24/05/2022 13:41

Oh, it only lasted 9 minutes?!
Oh that's OK then. 🙄
Seriously, what the fuck lol
Your excuses and minimising are getting more and more batshit.

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 13:46

'Personally, I think MPs should have to follow the same code of conduct as Civil Servants. This nonsense is banned under their code.'

I think you've got it the wrong way round. 126 fpns, 2 politicians. The rest civil servants. Maybe they should have actially followed their own 'code'?

lameasahorse · 24/05/2022 13:53

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balalake · 24/05/2022 13:54

I attended a virtual Diwali event. In other words, at home.

Roussette · 24/05/2022 13:56

So what we have, from insider testimonies is...

  • Calendar invites every friday 4pm for WTF (wine time fridays)
  • People sitting on each others laps and crowded together
  • Some staff staying there all night because it finished so late
  • Staff coming in, in the morning to see wine bottles everywhere, rubbish overflowing, empties all over the tables
  • Such a noisy party on the eve of PP's funeral that security had to tell them to shove off into the garden. They picked up everything, all the booze and food and stayed partying at No.10, it went on so late that many of them stayed the night there.
  • Taking the piss out of anyone who tried to call a halt to it all
They all make me sick. And it comes from the top. You cannot have WTF every Friday at 4pm without the PM knowing.

Yeah right... nothing to do with poor old prime minister, he just wanders into parties, is force fed booze and didn't know it was a party, despite the place littered with bottles and cans. Just those naughty old civil servants, nothing to do with him

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 14:51

'So what we have, from insider testimonies is...'

Oh I didn't realise Gray's report was out yet.

Or do you mean made up gossip from sources on Twitter aka Labour activists?

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/05/2022 14:59

Or do you mean made up gossip from sources on Twitter aka Labour activists?

I think it was the photos and results of the police investigation.😆😆😆

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 15:12

'I think it was the photos and results of the police investigation'

The police haven't released details of their investigation and the picture of BJ toasting someone does not evidence the list of claims made by the pp. That's why I questioned where the claims had come from.

Roussette · 24/05/2022 15:57

Sorry to disappoint you Janiie. You obviously wish it was from 'labour activists' but no.

It's BBC and all over every news channel.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410

Quite tricky to justify this, but perhaps the live interview with someone is just a 'labour activist'.....

Roussette · 24/05/2022 15:59

Also, there's that damn fish rotting from the head down yet again...

"Everything just continued as normal. social distancing didn't happen. We didn't wear face masks. It wasn't like the outside world."
Another even describes the events as a "lifeline" for staff who were working long hours, especially if they lived alone.
But all three point to the culture set by the prime minister himself, suggesting he "wanted to be liked" and for staff to be able to "let their hair down".
One suggests they felt like they had the prime minister's permission to socialise even it meant breaking the rules because "He was there."
"He may have just been popping through on the way to his flat because that's what would happen," they add. "You know, he wasn't there saying this shouldn't be happening.
"He wasn't saying, 'Can everyone break up and go home? Can everyone socially distance? Can everyone put masks on?'
"No, he wasn't telling anybody that. He was grabbing a glass for himself."

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 16:12

Ah. 'Insiders'. Righto.

Roussette · 24/05/2022 16:14

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 16:12

Ah. 'Insiders'. Righto.

People who were there, yes. People who were fined, yes. Is there a problem with that?

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 24/05/2022 16:30

Apart from the party activists, sorry, apologists, this thread is actually heart-breaking. So many people were working hard to try to keep others safe either by physically working to do so or putting the effort in to adhere to all the rules no matter how horrendous they felt in their personal circumstances.

If the Tories don't get voted out then there is something seriously wrong with our current system. Democracy is not about fiddling with Rome burns - or quaffing wine whilst others cry or die alone. There should be serious consequences for everything that happened on their watch from the parties to the shady PPE deals to the death rates. There is no other job where you could bring the role and organisation into such disrepute and remain in place. Government should have higher standards not lower ones than every other company and organisation in the country.

I have no party allegiance over this. Anyone who was in charge whether in a party, a Government, or a company, and broke the rules should be sacked.

TossCointoYerWitcher · 24/05/2022 16:47

SueSaid · 24/05/2022 16:12

Ah. 'Insiders'. Righto.

Laura Kuenssberg does not interview any old Tom, Dick or Harry. In fact, many “leftie activists” were of the opinion she was a Tory stooge. I feel it’s safe to say there’s probably something in it and her sources are official - ie. the actual people who were there and/or fined.

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