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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 14:23

Onlyhuman123 · 20/05/2022 14:19

Some of the replies on here are hilarious...so pompous and self righteous. And not one of you has EVER lost your rag over ANYTHING and shouted at another person?! yeah, sure...hahaha 😂🙄😏

So you think the OP’s partner and the business owner is also pompous for thinking the op was unreasonable for losing it like that?

Dygger · 20/05/2022 14:24

GoldenPineapple88 · 20/05/2022 13:54

Yikes. I understand your reaction to this awful client, but really and truly OP you should have stayed out of it.

I fully understand why your husband is so upset, I would be mortified if my husband shouted at one of my clients like that - even one of my horrible clients!

But then I suppose she had no business turning up at your home. She sounds like an absolute nightmare.

I'm just imagining what would happen if, somehow, she discovered which firms of architects or project management companies OH works through and emailed them to complain about him or me. If they even bothered reading her email they might call him or maybe even me to find out just how terrible a client she'd been.

OP posts:
Jarline · 20/05/2022 14:24

If my husband shouted at one of my clients, no matter how painful a project had been, I would be fuming at him. So I think you were unreasonable. I'd have said that it's nothing to do with you, your partner wasn't in, and closed the door.

Bournetilly · 20/05/2022 14:25

YANBU she deserved it.
She came to your house, how can you not get involved when she’s turning up at your house. You probably shouldn’t of shouted, but just said what you said without shouting as it does look unprofessional for your husband but if it won’t affect his work anyway it doesn’t really matter.
I would be annoyed at your DH as well for even considering paying the money.

LouisRenault · 20/05/2022 14:25

Can you not disagree with someone without shouting and swearing?

Where does OP say she swore?

Typical MN - invent and exaggerate.

VapeVamp12 · 20/05/2022 14:25

When she pitched up at your door she made it your business. YANBU

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:26

Onlyhuman123 · 20/05/2022 14:19

Some of the replies on here are hilarious...so pompous and self righteous. And not one of you has EVER lost your rag over ANYTHING and shouted at another person?! yeah, sure...hahaha 😂🙄😏

You must be reading posts that no-one else can see to get that impression. Yes, we are all familiar with families who act like this (“a bit council” was the phrase at school when I was growing up), but the criticism is about who it was directed at; her husband’s client.

It’s one thing you screaming like a fish wife if you want, but it’s generally not the right way to speak to your partner’s business clients.

ivykaty44 · 20/05/2022 14:26

Turning up at the domestic residence of a business is really out of order. Then to proceed to engage with a random person at the address is also rather odd behave, it certainly follows that they were nightmare customers

How did this person get your home address?

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 14:27

How would you feel if your husband went in to your work and shouted and screamed at somebody who had upset you?

OP didn't "go into (his) work".
She was minding her own business - in her own home.

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 14:27

He's a professional with a first class reputation
Which you've just helped to trash, expecting him to laugh along with you 🤦‍♀️

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 14:27

How embarrassing- you sound like a gobby fishwife. Sort of like Peggy Mitchell on steroids.

justasking111 · 20/05/2022 14:28

Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:47

But he runs a business. He has to make a profit to pay salaries and NI and pensions for everyone. He's not a charity.

I honestly think some of you here are due a wake-up call. The days of any kind of construction worker being easily available and prepared to give you hours and hours of advice and suggestions for free is over. If you want good people, you treat them well. You don't go looking for freebies.

Well I'm with the OP who is involved with the business as are many partners of the self employed. I've done the dirty work banning clients who were like this. You can't explain it to PAYE folks though so Mumsnet probably is not a great place to vent.

Cliftontherocks · 20/05/2022 14:28

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 13:29

I think so. She’s his client, not yours, and if word gets round about how you reacted it could negatively affect his professional reputation.

The right thing to do would have been to take a message and pass it on to him.

This absolutely this.

you say your husband is a professional but how many builders or tradespeople rip people off. Querying each bill
is common sense - normal

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 14:29

Depressing amount of misogyny on this thread.

Sqeebling · 20/05/2022 14:29

I can't believe she showed up at your house. That in itself proves how unreasonable and what a nightmare client she must be. You did the right thing someone had to tell them to their face that's not directly involved. The plasterer has already walked away and your husband had to take over.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 14:29

Five pages in and I've seen the phrase "fishwife" three times. Misogyny is alive and well!

Blossomtoes · 20/05/2022 14:29

How did this person get your home address?

It’s probably the registered address of the business and therefore on all the paperwork. They’re definitely former clients now and a good thing too.

Stravaig · 20/05/2022 14:29

I'm going to sidestep 'who is in the wrong' - because you all are, OP.

Your fight is not with the client who turned up on your doorstep. Your fight is with your husband for not being decisive with these clients right at the beginning, either by making clear what is/isn't acceptable behaviour or by leaving early on. Your resentments are about the ongoing and cumulative effects of this project on him which he has then brought home to you.

I understand why you did what you did, but you still need to have the fight with the right person ie. your husband. You can't dictate how he runs his business, but you can clearly express your expectations about how he cares for his own wellbeing and the amount of stress he brings into your shared home.

AryaStarkWolf · 20/05/2022 14:29

girlmom21 · 20/05/2022 14:12

She was massively out of order but you should have said "I'm sorry, he's not here. I'll ask him to call you when he's available but this is not his place of work so please do not come to my home to discuss it."

That's it. Then close the door.

Exactly.

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 14:30

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 14:03

You sound on a knife edge. Unable to control yourself.

some builds are bloody awful from start to finish. This was one. Won’t be the last.

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

A darn sight less frightening than having some random turn up at your home, doorstep you & refuse to leave, while accusing your husband of theft ...

breatheintheamazing · 20/05/2022 14:30

Well I work in the industry and actually agree with you OP - seems clients expects babying and hand holding through a project especially when there is no project manager. That being said I wouldn't have shouted and just firmly said it was unacceptable to turn up at your home. It's a matter for your husband etc

Malbecfan · 20/05/2022 14:30

Some of the replies here...

YWNBU. She came to YOUR house, uninvited, to complain to someone who had nothing to do with the issue. She deserved all she got.

As for the person equating this to dealing with children, are you in the real world? In school yesterday I had to yell really loudly at someone to stop them from getting seriously hurt. Yes, I apologised for bellowing at them, but they actually thanked me later for alerting them. Shouting all the time doesn't work, but occasionally it has its uses. If anyone complains about me, I know the Head will defend my actions.

Dygger · 20/05/2022 14:30

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 14:03

You sound on a knife edge. Unable to control yourself.

some builds are bloody awful from start to finish. This was one. Won’t be the last.

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

Aye, right.

OP posts:
whumpthereitis · 20/05/2022 14:31

On the fence but leaning every which way on this one. One on hand if my husband had interjected like this on a work issue, I would have felt infantilized, embarrassed and pissed off, whilst also understanding it came from a place of care for me. On balance though, it wouldn’t be appreciated.

That said, she came to your home and tried to involve you in it. It‘s not like you approached her in the street or called her, she came to your home and instead of just leaving when she couldn’t speak to your husband she decided to start on about it with you.

I like to think I would have remained professional and said something along the lines of ‘please discuss it with my husband later’ and disengaged from the conversation, but tbh in reality I’d have told her to fuck off as well. Don’t cause my family an inordinate amount of stress over a period of time then have the audacity to come to my house and start lecturing me on my own doorstep if you want a pleasant reaction.

So no, not an ideal reaction but very much a human one, considering that backstory.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/05/2022 14:32

I think you were wrong to shout at her. Yes they sound a nightmare, and yes she shouldn’t have come to your house, but shouting at people is never constructive, especially in a professional context.

The right thing would have been to say “he’s not here I can’t get involved, please email etc”.

I can understand why he’s annoyed tbh. It’s cathartic and even pleasurable to do what you did, but he’s been professional enough not to do this. You should have respected that. He could have shouted at them if he’d wanted them shouted at, and had the catharsis of it himself. You shouldn’t have taken it upon yourself to do what he’s been resisting.

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