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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 14:32

breatheintheamazing · 20/05/2022 14:30

Well I work in the industry and actually agree with you OP - seems clients expects babying and hand holding through a project especially when there is no project manager. That being said I wouldn't have shouted and just firmly said it was unacceptable to turn up at your home. It's a matter for your husband etc

How can you agree with op and then go on to say you'd have handled it totally differently? 😂
How her dh handles his clients is for him to decide, op has no business getting involved.

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 14:32

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:26

You must be reading posts that no-one else can see to get that impression. Yes, we are all familiar with families who act like this (“a bit council” was the phrase at school when I was growing up), but the criticism is about who it was directed at; her husband’s client.

It’s one thing you screaming like a fish wife if you want, but it’s generally not the right way to speak to your partner’s business clients.

Bingo!

Sexism AND classism in one short post! Congratulations.

dworky · 20/05/2022 14:32

Searchfornessie · 20/05/2022 13:29

Wow, yes you were unreasonable. Do you always step in and fight his battles for him?

Op is under no obligation to be professional to someone turning up at her home unannounced.

Irishfarmer · 20/05/2022 14:33

I don't think yabu. My DH makes bespoke items for clients, thankfully haven't had difficult ones yet but he's not been doing it long. She came to your house and gave out to you. I have told her to leave and closed the door

Livpool · 20/05/2022 14:33

orangeisthenewpuce · 20/05/2022 13:51

A bit unreasonable but it serves the stupid cow right.

Agree with this.

How dare she turn up at your house and have go. Not surprised you reacted as you did

ReadyToMoveIt · 20/05/2022 14:36

I get why you did it, I really do.
But YABU. It’s not your client, it’s your husbands. His business, his problem to deal with. I would be really upset with DH if he yelled at one my clients, however unreasonable they’d been. It would definitely make me think twice about sharing any details about my work/professional life with him again.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 14:36

OP isn't the professional here though, so why should she "be professional'? OP is just someone who has a nightmare person turning up on her doorstep, refusing to leave and accusing her husband of theft! If the client wanted a professional response, they should have gone through professional channels.

whumpthereitis · 20/05/2022 14:36

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 14:27

How embarrassing- you sound like a gobby fishwife. Sort of like Peggy Mitchell on steroids.

Never seen anything wrong with having fishwife tendencies if the situation calls for it. In general it gets the ‘fuck off’ point across to cheeky fuckers a lot more swiftly and categorically than politesse does.

Ducksinthebath · 20/05/2022 14:37

Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

What's wrong with this? Are they just supposed to take everything your DP says as gospel? Is there an issue with them wanting to be engaged with and discuss their project and - god forbid - asking about different products that are on the market. How are they to know they're not appropriate for the job, they're not builders.

Both you and your DP sound a bit entitled. And you've made him look unprofessional. I'm not surprised he's miffed.

OuiWeeOui · 20/05/2022 14:37

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 14:27

How embarrassing- you sound like a gobby fishwife. Sort of like Peggy Mitchell on steroids.

No she doesn't. She sounds like a partner who is thoroughly fed up with people trying to take the piss and pass off their mistakes to an innocent party. She came to your door. She made it personal to you
Good for you @Dygger
People who do this should realise that trades talk to each other and you risk not getting anyone wanting to work for you
Most clients are fair but there are some that will test the patience of a Saint
Respect works both ways

evrey · 20/05/2022 14:38

You have just reminded me why I hated when my husband was in the construction business. Nightmare customers like this.
I not surprised you flipped at her, but I can see from your husbands point why he is embarrassed by this too.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:38

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 14:36

OP isn't the professional here though, so why should she "be professional'? OP is just someone who has a nightmare person turning up on her doorstep, refusing to leave and accusing her husband of theft! If the client wanted a professional response, they should have gone through professional channels.

For the sake of her husband, who it seems now is in for an unpleasant time when he gets home for daring to wish his wife could at least try not to act like she did.

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:38

Five pages in and I've seen the phrase "fishwife" three times. Misogyny is alive and well!

@TeaStory Not so much misogyny as class snobbery. Fishwife is basically code for chav on here.

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 14:38

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:38

For the sake of her husband, who it seems now is in for an unpleasant time when he gets home for daring to wish his wife could at least try not to act like she did.

He shouldn't have been heaping all the stress and angst onto her then.

Paprikapommes · 20/05/2022 14:39

YAallBU. She crossed a line, you crossed a line and your DH made a mistake by just leaving expensive goods on a windowsill rather than handing directly to the client and making it their responsibility.

DolphinaPD · 20/05/2022 14:39

You did better than me. I'd probably have smacked her one for coming to my doorstep with this shit. I would not be laying out another 700 either. AND I'd give them bad reviews everywhere possible, like checkatrade etc.

Dundonian · 20/05/2022 14:40

You sank to their level. You were very unreasonable to lose it like that with a client, even though you were in the right.

LDreads · 20/05/2022 14:40

Hey OP,
I came across this randomly looking for advice on pillows (weird I know!) but thought I'd add my two pence.

I worked as a financial controller in the construction industry so maybe my opinion counts for something. (I don't anymore)

No, I don't think you're being unreasonable at all, the industry has a reputation for being unprofessional, especially tier 2 contractors and below, doesn't matter whether that's right or not that's the way it is.

If someone turned up at my home address regarding a job, I would also go ballistic. This is totally unacceptable.

What contract is this job on? JCT / NEC? As the issues that you've spoken about shouldn't arise to the extent you have described had the contract instructions been followed. If your husband isn't the principal contractor it is then not up to him to deal with the client.

If your husband's client is the principal contractor in this case then he could always go to the main client and make a complaint about the principal contractor.

Either way, my recommendation at this stage would be to get a QS or equivalent in there to sort these issues out. They're not cheap but my god do they save you a bloody headache!

If there is no contract and you're nearing the end, cut your losses pay the money finish your bit and get out.

This client sounds strangely similar to one I have worked with twice in the past (and his wife) I hope they're not the same people as they're possibly the most unethical company I have ever had the displeasure of working with.

Sorry to hear you're going through this - construction is a stressful place to be on good days let alone when the shit hits the fan

xx

Trivester · 20/05/2022 14:40

It’s understandable. The client is completely unreasonable and batshit. But that doesn’t put you in the right.

If anyone was entitled to a cathartic shouting match it was your dh. You owe him a massive apology here.

Gizacluethen · 20/05/2022 14:41

She turned up at your house and involved you. If you'd answered his phone or wrang her yourself then I'd say YABU. But you don't turn up at somebodies house and complain to their wife. YANBU.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 20/05/2022 14:41

TeaStory · 20/05/2022 14:38

He shouldn't have been heaping all the stress and angst onto her then.

Surely he should be able to vent to his partner about work without having to worry about her shouting at his clients?

TreatTrimTame · 20/05/2022 14:42

YABU. I understand your frustration and have been in very similar situations with DH and his clients myself. I've had him so stressed he is questioning his career choices etc. However I stay out of it. His reputation is very important to him and (whether it would affect future business or not) its up to him how he presents himself. He has let people take the piss (in my view) but that is his choice and he has earned that right by working so hard at his business. I would have asked the lady to not come to my home again and closed the door.

Just as when I have bickered with siblings or had a disagreement with friends etc (extremely rare but has happened), DH doesnt get involved. Its none of his business. He knows what (I have said) they have done and keeps his mouth shut.

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 14:42

All you Pom Pom wavers cheering op on may need to remember that her dh, whose business and reputation it is, is annoyed at her interference and wondering why the hell he told her anything in the first place 🤷🏻‍♀️

Jalepenojello · 20/05/2022 14:43

How can you not get involved when his clients are knocking on the door to your home? That’s totally inappropriate and I’d be upset too OP.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 20/05/2022 14:43

Yanbu she shouldn't have turned up at your house accusing your husband of taking something they've lost.

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