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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:09

You don’t shout abuse at her.

OP didn’t shout abuse though

From the OP: At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

Where’s the abuse?

Imogensmumma · 20/05/2022 14:10

the woman deserved it, how disrespectful to turn up to the private home of a contractor, nurse, teacher, plumber anyone really… you just don’t do it. Shows the character of the woman if she thinks turning up whinging to the wife is acceptable.

OP was initially fair saying not home, then the other lady kept going well guess what she poked the bear. Regardless of what has happened with the build don’t rock up to your contractors personal home and expect the person on the other side to bend over backwards for you

Onlyhuman123 · 20/05/2022 14:10

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 13:39

I disagree. If OP had gone round their house or even just bumped into her in the street, but this woman chose to bring her grievances to the DH's home, and persisted in badgering a family member who had absolutely nothing to do with the build. Her behaviour was completely inappropriate and it sounds like she would benefit massively from being told to fuck off once in a while.

Totally agree with you. the client chose to knock on the door of their home and when he wasn't home, started whinging to the wife. Of course she's going to back up her husband as she's already explained how this job has affected her OH and their lives. I don't blame her having a go at the client; nothing more than she deserved when the client brought it to their personal doorstep. good on you OP!

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 14:10

Walkingthedog46 · 20/05/2022 14:06

I don’t agree that OP shouldn’t have got involved. (Maybe not lost her temper (easier said than done though in the circumstances)) but the client had no business turning up at her private address and trying to discuss the project with her instead of going into the professional’s office to discuss it with them. By doing so, she made it the OP’s business. Maybe the woman thought OP would be a soft touch.

No-one’s saying that the client was reasonable though. The right response to an unreasonable client in this situation would have been to tell them firmly that they would need to speak to her husband, to tell them to leave, as he wasn’t in, and to close the door.

Even her husband seems to agree with the majority on here, and despite her being the one who who lost it, she’s angry at him too.

Brideandprejudice · 20/05/2022 14:11

You clearly think you're right regardless, so why even ask?

sst1234 · 20/05/2022 14:11

OP’s rude replies say everything needing to be said about whether she is unreasonable or not.

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:11

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

@Intrigueddotcom You’re seriously implying that this means OP is a danger to children? Jesus Christ.

Thepeopleversuswork · 20/05/2022 14:11

As someone who deals with nightmare clients like this a lot I can totally understand wanting to do this but you were being unreasonable getting involved and ranting at the wife like that. It could do your partner's reputation a lot of damage and I can see why he's pissed off with you.

This client sounds awful and he may have been within his rights to do this but its incredibly inappropriate for you to presume to do this on his behalf.

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 20/05/2022 14:11

Escalating a fraught conversation the way you have isn’t ever going to resolve an issue. If she wouldn’t leave or stop shouting, shut the door. Shouting matches never achieve anything.

whynotwhatknot · 20/05/2022 14:12

The woman came to their home-not that she should know whereyou live but thats personal-i wo9uld have told her more than what you did for coming to my house complainig

could have beenanyone nicked it

girlmom21 · 20/05/2022 14:12

She was massively out of order but you should have said "I'm sorry, he's not here. I'll ask him to call you when he's available but this is not his place of work so please do not come to my home to discuss it."

That's it. Then close the door.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 14:13

The one person in this scenario who’s opinion actually matters is the partner and business owner

and HE thought the OP was unreasonable

Suzi888 · 20/05/2022 14:14

I’d vote YABU too.

Not sure why client knew your address though, I wouldn’t advocate on behalf of your husband. This is why DH and I do not (or try not to) discuss work.

Thepeopleversuswork · 20/05/2022 14:16

girlmom21 · 20/05/2022 14:12

She was massively out of order but you should have said "I'm sorry, he's not here. I'll ask him to call you when he's available but this is not his place of work so please do not come to my home to discuss it."

That's it. Then close the door.

This.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 20/05/2022 14:18

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This.
They sound like utter nightmares, but it's your husband's clients, not yours and you can't (even if they deserve it!) just go off like that at them.
Looks really unprofessional.

Ragruggers · 20/05/2022 14:18

Well she won’t come round again so win win.All will be forgotten in days.Some people think they are very important and think the world owes them.Too much drama.

Onlyhuman123 · 20/05/2022 14:19

Some of the replies on here are hilarious...so pompous and self righteous. And not one of you has EVER lost your rag over ANYTHING and shouted at another person?! yeah, sure...hahaha 😂🙄😏

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 14:19

Searchfornessie · 20/05/2022 13:29

Wow, yes you were unreasonable. Do you always step in and fight his battles for him?

Oh for crying out loud.

This woman brought the fight to OP's front door.

I'd have given her an earful too.

Blossomtoes · 20/05/2022 14:20

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 20/05/2022 13:39

I disagree. If OP had gone round their house or even just bumped into her in the street, but this woman chose to bring her grievances to the DH's home, and persisted in badgering a family member who had absolutely nothing to do with the build. Her behaviour was completely inappropriate and it sounds like she would benefit massively from being told to fuck off once in a while.

I agree. Their behaviour is outrageous. I’d be furious with my bloke if he rolled over like this.

Fleur405 · 20/05/2022 14:20

Sorry but yes you were being unreasonable. Obviously the clients are unreasonable and sound like a massive pain in the ass (and definitely shouldn’t have come to your home) … but they are his clients, you can’t shout at them!

KettrickenSmiled · 20/05/2022 14:20

Canyouengineerfreespeech · 20/05/2022 13:32

Losing your temper and ranting at somebody might be cathartic - but I have never come across a case where it has been helpful in the longer term.

Whereas I can think of several.

Sometimes, humans just gotta human.
And demanding CF's get the the blast they need to put them back in their box.

girlmom21 · 20/05/2022 14:21

Onlyhuman123 · 20/05/2022 14:19

Some of the replies on here are hilarious...so pompous and self righteous. And not one of you has EVER lost your rag over ANYTHING and shouted at another person?! yeah, sure...hahaha 😂🙄😏

No, I haven't.
I'm a bit of a prick sometimes but you have to be a massive arse if, as an adult, you actually physically shout at another person rather than communicating properly.

I've never respected anyone less than people who shout at their employees at work, for example. I wouldn't tolerate it.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 14:21

YABU OP.
Let your OP deal with his work issues in his own way. You not only got involved, but it sounds like you behaved in very inappropriate manner. You overstepped the line by a million miles.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 14:21

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:11

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

@Intrigueddotcom You’re seriously implying that this means OP is a danger to children? Jesus Christ.

Yeah sure
I said the op was a “danger to children”

or rather it’s bloody frightening to see your mum yelling at a woman on their door step who hasn’t been yelling at her

yellowsuninthesky · 20/05/2022 14:22

Maëlys · 20/05/2022 14:11

you need to get yourself some tactics in place to draw on when you’re stressed, because if you behaved like this around children… bloody frightening

@Intrigueddotcom You’re seriously implying that this means OP is a danger to children? Jesus Christ.

Typical MN overreaction!

I always love the way MNers would all keep their tempers and react perfectly. Like hell you would.

If someone knocked on my door and refused to leave, I'd get angry too. Client or no client.

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