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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:34

To imagine "his wife was rude" to be the basis of the complaint is ridiculous

I agree. Which is why I didn’t say that. 🤷‍♀️

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:40

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:34

To imagine "his wife was rude" to be the basis of the complaint is ridiculous

I agree. Which is why I didn’t say that. 🤷‍♀️

I don't know what your point is. There wouldn't actually be a complaint if op had kept her nose out. Her dh would have resolved it, as he's already made her aware.

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 12:43

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:40

I don't know what your point is. There wouldn't actually be a complaint if op had kept her nose out. Her dh would have resolved it, as he's already made her aware.

The client was already deeply dissatisfied and thought the business owner was a thief

there was lot of pretty damning info that was going to go into any review already

the barmy fishwife was the cherry on the cake

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 12:44

Her dh would have resolved it?

doubt it. Sounds like he is an utterly inept business owner

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:44

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:00

In what world do you think this already pissed off woman, who actually felt compelled to go to the OP’s house, is going to limit her review to ‘the builder’s wife shouted at me’?

She’s not. But if she includes that at all it discredits anything else she might say, particularly if every other review is positive. Hence my disagreeing with the pp who says she’s given the client more ammunition.

Anyway, OP says the majority of her bloke’s work is via professionals like architects who will have vast experience of nightmare clients from hell and know the quality of his work.

This is my point @Johnnysgirl. You seem to have missed it.

2pinkginsplease · 21/05/2022 12:46

I understand why you have shouted at her, I probably would have too, she has turned up at your home for an argument.

she should be dealing with your dh direct and should never have approached your home, your personal space!

She is out of order.

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:50

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:44

This is my point @Johnnysgirl. You seem to have missed it.

No, I didn't miss it 😂

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 12:50

*Anyway, OP says the majority of her bloke’s work is via professionals like architects who will have vast experience of nightmare clients from hell and know the quality of his work.
25 years experience
highly regarded
yet was completely unable to deal effectively with this difficult client

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:52

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 12:50

*Anyway, OP says the majority of her bloke’s work is via professionals like architects who will have vast experience of nightmare clients from hell and know the quality of his work.
25 years experience
highly regarded
yet was completely unable to deal effectively with this difficult client

Indeed. Just goes to show what a nightmare she is, doesn’t it?

Herejustforthisone · 21/05/2022 12:52

I think you’re being a spot too optimistic about people seeing the inevitable shitty review as being discredited by the inclusion of the spat on the OP’s doorstep.

Anyway, it appears moot as he’s in the pocket of some architects who will include him when tendering their big, posh jobs…

Herejustforthisone · 21/05/2022 12:53

Are you her mate, @Blossomtoes ? ☺️ You’re jolly loyal.

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:55

Herejustforthisone · 21/05/2022 12:53

Are you her mate, @Blossomtoes ? ☺️ You’re jolly loyal.

No, I wish I was. 😂

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:56

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:52

Indeed. Just goes to show what a nightmare she is, doesn’t it?

No, that's not what it shows to everyone else 😆

ReadyToMoveIt · 21/05/2022 12:57

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:52

Indeed. Just goes to show what a nightmare she is, doesn’t it?

No one is denying that the client is a nightmare though. Or that the client was unreasonable. Of course she was.
However… (louder for those at the back)… it’s possible for more than one person to be unreasonable in a situation.
The OP was also unreasonable. And a nightmare.

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 13:09

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:52

Indeed. Just goes to show what a nightmare she is, doesn’t it?

This business owner of such high repute and experience who was forced in to accepting a job he didn’t want to and infect hoped the quote was rejected sounds like he needs to go on the hunt for a backbone

WibblyWobblyJane · 21/05/2022 19:17

I do not think this is likely to impact the business. I also do not think that we have any real indication that the husband needs to change anything at all with the way he does business. He did a favor for a friend and it turned out to be difficult. That is all.

The OP asked if she was unreasonable and got answers. I am not prone to judging her husband just because she handled a difficult, unexpected situation poorly.

Badbadbunny · 21/05/2022 20:15

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 13:09

This business owner of such high repute and experience who was forced in to accepting a job he didn’t want to and infect hoped the quote was rejected sounds like he needs to go on the hunt for a backbone

Not at all. It's easy to be coerced into taking on a new client if you're being pushed to do so by an existing client/referrer who already provides you with a lot of business. If you say no, you not only lose the PITA customer/job, but you also risk losing all the other work you get via the "friend".

Most businesses try to avoid the PITA's by either quoting high or giving very long timescales to start the work/deliver. However, sometimes, the potential customer (or referrer) doesn't get the message!

Intrigueddotcom · 22/05/2022 07:06

Badbadbunny · 21/05/2022 20:15

Not at all. It's easy to be coerced into taking on a new client if you're being pushed to do so by an existing client/referrer who already provides you with a lot of business. If you say no, you not only lose the PITA customer/job, but you also risk losing all the other work you get via the "friend".

Most businesses try to avoid the PITA's by either quoting high or giving very long timescales to start the work/deliver. However, sometimes, the potential customer (or referrer) doesn't get the message!

Most business owners of 25 years standing with more than 30 employees are “easily coerced” into accepting a job they don’t want. How odd

Intrigueddotcom · 22/05/2022 07:08

NOT “easily coerced”

Regina70 · 23/05/2022 10:45

Could you have handled it better? Probably. There again no-one likes to be ambushed at their own home so I sympathise, don't beat yourself up. Could your husband have handled this situation better? Most definitely. Your husband seems used to dealing with corporate/ business clients and not so much private individuals (and who can blame him if he does not after this experience!). Demanding, entitled, unreliable clients - you learn to put everything in writing so there is a paper trail, especially on delivering an expensive item. This couple might be of bad faith, or they could have binned the item by mistake ... another scenario: they will have several tradesmen involved with their project, showing the same attitude towards them as they did to your husband and someone might have taken the item in retribution ... you simply don't know, sadly because your husband did not cover his bases it leaves the finger pointing at him. Probably why he is considering paying the £700 because he knows that he should have known better. Hopefully things have calmed a little, you could tell hubby you are sorry for letting her get to you and losing your temper, but you are proud of him, of his dedication, of all the efforts he puts in his business and saw red when this difficult woman was dragging him through the mud. Best of luck x

Dygger · 23/05/2022 17:23

The client (the husband) emailed this morning to confirm that he's ordered and paid for the lost part. They have also paid their outstanding bill of £14k, which was due on completion. My partner said it was the shortest, most businesslike communication he's had from them since this started. Maybe I should lose my rag more often. With a bit of luck it will all be completed by the end of the week and as the PP noted, he can get back to dealing with the professionals.

We had a lovely weekend watching the finishing touches going into place at the Chelsea Flower Show. A little perk of my job. Glorious. Do go if you can, I think it's a particularly good year.

OP posts:
Intrigueddotcom · 23/05/2022 17:26

Out of interest, have you told your partner that he don’t want him off loading on to you, especially as you “never” share any of your employment worries or concerns with him?

Dygger · 23/05/2022 18:49

Yes, we've had various conversations over the weekend. He knows that he dumped far too much on me with this job and that it has been a major stress on our relationship. He was strong-armed into the project as a favour for a friend and we've both paid the price of his unwillingness to create firm boundaries. He was initially annoyed at the way I reacted when she rang the doorbell but ended up feeling glad that someone had told them the truth, even if it couldn't be him. And of course he's even happier today. We've agreed no more domestic clients. There's much better money to be made, and with less of that horrible personal emotive stress, doing the more commercial projects.

All the people going on about the wife writing crap reviews and ruining his reputation are barking up the wrong tree. Dissing him on Checkatrade may make her feel better but no one else will notice.

I don't offload about my work at home. I rarely mention it except to discuss schedules and deadlines for our diaries. But then I stick with tries-and-trusted professional clients.

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LadyEloise1 · 24/05/2022 16:48

Why is Regina 70's name on a deepish blue background, the OP's name on a teal blue background and every other poster's name on a purply wine colour. Most odd.

wellhelloitsme · 24/05/2022 16:53

LadyEloise1 · 24/05/2022 16:48

Why is Regina 70's name on a deepish blue background, the OP's name on a teal blue background and every other poster's name on a purply wine colour. Most odd.

I think they're dark blue if someone works at Mumsnet HQ?