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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
billy1966 · 21/05/2022 08:29

OP

YANBU.

It sounds like you have been listening to a lot for the past year.

Very tedious.

LynneBenfield · 21/05/2022 08:29

Same here @saveforthat. Flaky tradespeople are the norm so genuine, reliable ones that do good quality, well priced work are like hen’s teeth and treasured as such.

ivfbabymomma1 · 21/05/2022 08:31

She came to your house. She shouldn't have done that! Good on you I'd say! You can't not get involved when she's arguing on your door step?!

ReadyToMoveIt · 21/05/2022 08:33

Moodycow78 · 21/05/2022 06:50

I don't think you were unreasonable hon, SHE came to YOUR doorstep and deserves what she got. For everyone calling OP out, how often do clients from your work turn up at your home hassling your family, you'd be ok with that would you?

No I wouldn’t. I’d tell them to go and speak to my husband at his place of work and I’d shut the door.

YilingMatriarch · 21/05/2022 08:42

In the long run it's not going to matter. The more important point is that he realised he should have trusted his initial instincts regarding the project, and has distanced himself from the friend who he allowed to sway him against his better judgement. Both of you lacked good communication so no high ground on that one.

wpse · 21/05/2022 08:49

DolphinaPD · 20/05/2022 14:39

You did better than me. I'd probably have smacked her one for coming to my doorstep with this shit. I would not be laying out another 700 either. AND I'd give them bad reviews everywhere possible, like checkatrade etc.

Violence? How lovely.

You absolutely wouldn't have 'smacked her one' so do stop the hyperbole. It doesn't serve anyone well.

Footloose78 · 21/05/2022 08:58

Yabu how unprofessional

OneFootintheRave · 21/05/2022 09:04

Don't worry about it! She brought it to your door and continued even when it was clear DH was not home. She's clearly not some shrinking violet either.

Portiasparty · 21/05/2022 09:11

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation. Good builders are like unicorns and you wouldn't miss out on using one because some complete pain in the arse client bad mouthed him. From the sound of it she'd bad mouth him anyway whatever you'd done. I can understand why your DH is a bit annoyed because normally it wouldn't be your business but she made it your business when she came to your actual home and dragged you into it.

Incidentally I once told my husband's boss that he wasn't available to speak to him on the home phone when he was ill. She'd already tried his work phone and mobile phone which were turned off because he was ill. I'm sure some people on here would say I was in the wrong but unless he's a surgeon or a bomb disposal engineer, your emergency is not an emergency.

People get away with this shit because they don't get called out on it.

girlmom21 · 21/05/2022 09:14

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation

It won't do it any good, either.

Portiasparty · 21/05/2022 09:17

girlmom21 · 21/05/2022 09:14

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation

It won't do it any good, either.

And your point is?

People will use him because he's a good builder. They won't stop because of a silly issue like that. Clients should not be going to people's homes to have things out with them, full stop.

ReadyToMoveIt · 21/05/2022 09:23

Portiasparty · 21/05/2022 09:11

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation. Good builders are like unicorns and you wouldn't miss out on using one because some complete pain in the arse client bad mouthed him. From the sound of it she'd bad mouth him anyway whatever you'd done. I can understand why your DH is a bit annoyed because normally it wouldn't be your business but she made it your business when she came to your actual home and dragged you into it.

Incidentally I once told my husband's boss that he wasn't available to speak to him on the home phone when he was ill. She'd already tried his work phone and mobile phone which were turned off because he was ill. I'm sure some people on here would say I was in the wrong but unless he's a surgeon or a bomb disposal engineer, your emergency is not an emergency.

People get away with this shit because they don't get called out on it.

Why would people say you were wrong for saying your husband was unable to talk, if he was unable to talk? Did you ‘explode’? Did you shout? If so, then it’s not a comparable situation to the one in the OP.
If the OP has said ‘he’s not here, speak to him at his place of work’ and closed the door, I doubt many would think she was BU.

Youaremysunshine14 · 21/05/2022 09:25

girlmom21 · 21/05/2022 09:14

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation

It won't do it any good, either.

But if you read the OP, this isn't his usual type of client. This was a renovation (that he didn't want to do and had to be talked into and has cost him a friendship and well as causing untold stress) but he usually does high-end new builds. It won't affect his work or reputation one iota.

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 09:27

mnnewbie111 · 21/05/2022 06:41

If someone comes to your door then you've every right to get involved. It's not his business premises and they're crossing a line by coming to a personal address. She sounds like an Intrusive bitch

It's also his door...
It's only by chance she was in and he wasn't. She shouldn't have got involved.

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 09:29

In the building world, word of mouth can make or break, actually.
It's really not correct to say "he's a good builder, dissatisfied customers make no odds". That's just nonsense.

wombat1a · 21/05/2022 09:30

YABU, your response should have been 'Sorry you are talking to the wrong person, you need to talk to DH'. If they continued then cut them off with 'Sorry you are talking to the wrong person, you need to talk to DH' everytime until they get the message or you reach the point of 'Sorry this is nothing to do with me, I have something else to do that is my responsibility' and then close the door.

Maverickess · 21/05/2022 09:33

Footloose78 · 21/05/2022 08:58

Yabu how unprofessional

Why the expectation of professionalism though?

The client chose to engage someone not professionally involved in the situation, she was told the husband wasn't at home, and continued, the OP isn't professionally involved in the business or the situation, therefore the client can't expect to be treated professionally.

As I said in a pp, if you take your argument to someone not professionally involved, then you take the chance you're not going to be treated professionally.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 21/05/2022 09:40

I don't the YABU. She turned up at your house and involved you

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 09:41

Maverickess · 21/05/2022 09:33

Why the expectation of professionalism though?

The client chose to engage someone not professionally involved in the situation, she was told the husband wasn't at home, and continued, the OP isn't professionally involved in the business or the situation, therefore the client can't expect to be treated professionally.

As I said in a pp, if you take your argument to someone not professionally involved, then you take the chance you're not going to be treated professionally.

Maybe substitute the word "professional" (since you have such issues with it) with the word "civil", and see how you get on.

Maverickess · 21/05/2022 09:56

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 09:41

Maybe substitute the word "professional" (since you have such issues with it) with the word "civil", and see how you get on.

But the argument here from many is that the OP was unprofessional, so replacing professional with civil changes the whole perception because they mean two different things.
If you approach someone not professionally involved in something, you're not entitled to a professional response. And many have been very insistent that the OP wasn't professionally involved, yet was unprofessional in her behaviour.

Can't have it both ways.

Was the client entitled to a civil response? Well yes - although I am struggling to have sympathy with the client tbh because of their own behaviour.

Londongirl79 · 21/05/2022 09:58

Well done OP
Your Husband needs to take a leaf out of your book.
He was already out of pocket and the woman wants to steal £700 from him.
Your Husband should email them and explain if they contact either of you again you will report them for harassment.
Thieving Scumbags!

Blueeyedgirl21 · 21/05/2022 10:00

She came to your house and brought this issue to you, I’d say you were well within your rights to react how you want

if he doesn’t want you having anything to do with his business he doesn’t bring anything home at all about it, and you get on with your career and him his

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/05/2022 10:00

Why are you trying to make this a sexist thing? It’s the same no matter whose client it is, his or yours; no-one wants a ranting partner shouting at their clients. It’s unprofessional“

this.

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 10:02

If you approach someone not professionally involved in something, you're not entitled to a professional response
You can expect them to refuse to get involved, certainly. Not launch themselves right in there shouting and "exploding".

abricotine · 21/05/2022 10:05

It won’t make a difference to his reputation as OP says. Builders aren’t judged on their last job and this was a personal matter and easily explained as such. It’s awkward what happened Op and maybe you could have handled it better. But she should not have doorstepped you. from her reaction I do wonder if it’s hit home and it might not work out such a bad thing after all that you told her some home truths.