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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
GreenOlivesinGin · 20/05/2022 19:44

If it had been your business and your client, I would be saying you are not being unreasonable, good for you, well done etc.
But it is not your business, it is his; and therefore it is his decision. The fact he has been offloading to you is not that relevant. It means you can have a conversation with him about it, but it does not entitle you to make this kind of decision for him.
My view has nothing to do with class, with whether you are the woman and he is the man, or anything like this, it's purely about the fact that it is his business and not yours. If the roles were reversed I would be saying the same. (The client also behaved very badly by turning up at your place, but also not relevant).

Youaremysunshine14 · 20/05/2022 19:52

Herejustforthisone · 20/05/2022 19:20

I can’t help but feel that those cheerleading the OP’s outburst don’t run businesses that rely quite heavily on word of mouth and trusted recommendations.

Actually, I do, and I still maintain she was right to defend her OH being called a liar in her doorstep by someone who was clearly overstepping.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 20:01

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 15:31

Nice rework of your OP there

now you merely raised your voice?

in your op you “exploded” and “heard yourself yelling”

Yep - OP is now a softly spoken quiet paragon of middle class rectitude 🤷🏼‍♀️

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:05

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 20/05/2022 20:01

Yep - OP is now a softly spoken quiet paragon of middle class rectitude 🤷🏼‍♀️

I think pretty much everything written after the OP was written to change the initial impression, all a bit “Jimmy hill.”

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:07

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justasking111 · 20/05/2022 20:11

Herejustforthisone · 20/05/2022 19:20

I can’t help but feel that those cheerleading the OP’s outburst don’t run businesses that rely quite heavily on word of mouth and trusted recommendations.

OH I suspect that the client is a prize idiot in all areas of her life. Her relations, colleagues, will be well aware of her mouthiness and stupidity. Trades, retail, medics will all have rolled their eyes at some time. It won't be the first time she's had a dressing down

SeedyBloomer · 20/05/2022 20:13

she turned up to your home uninvited to harass him. That’s the point at which you had a right to become involved and tell her that her behaviour would no longer be tolerated. If he’s put up with this for a year, is miserable and people have left work because of it but he is still rather afraid to confront her then I’d say it’s just as well you had the balls to. Perhaps now it will sink in to her skull that you cannot behave like this for a year and then go and turn up at someone’s home.

Had you done gone round and done this at her home or in a physical office / work place, you’d have been unreasonable. You didn’t.

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 20:17

SeedyBloomer · 20/05/2022 20:13

she turned up to your home uninvited to harass him. That’s the point at which you had a right to become involved and tell her that her behaviour would no longer be tolerated. If he’s put up with this for a year, is miserable and people have left work because of it but he is still rather afraid to confront her then I’d say it’s just as well you had the balls to. Perhaps now it will sink in to her skull that you cannot behave like this for a year and then go and turn up at someone’s home.

Had you done gone round and done this at her home or in a physical office / work place, you’d have been unreasonable. You didn’t.

No, that's the point at which she should have directed the client to her husband's business premises, and allowed him to deal with her himself.

dworky · 20/05/2022 20:20

What this thread has taught me is that a large amount people have been so well groomed by capitalism, they believe the most vitally important thing is to always act professionally, even while you're in your own home and the job in question isn't yours.
It's genuinely depressing to me.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:22

dworky · 20/05/2022 20:20

What this thread has taught me is that a large amount people have been so well groomed by capitalism, they believe the most vitally important thing is to always act professionally, even while you're in your own home and the job in question isn't yours.
It's genuinely depressing to me.

Groomed…

What it’s told me is that there are people who seem almost proud of being yobs and who are very indignant when others don’t find it endearing.

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 20:25

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:22

Groomed…

What it’s told me is that there are people who seem almost proud of being yobs and who are very indignant when others don’t find it endearing.

I’m afraid the only yob is the one who showed up at the OP’s house.

Believe it or not, being a paying client does not entitle you to behave this way.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:29

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 20:25

I’m afraid the only yob is the one who showed up at the OP’s house.

Believe it or not, being a paying client does not entitle you to behave this way.

No, the client was definitely out of order and so is the OP, as her husband, the business owner’s reaction shows.

badhappening · 20/05/2022 20:32

YANBU

Rightly or wrongly, I know without a doubt, I would have had something to say to her.

They’re obviously too ignorant to appreciate when they’re onto a good thing with your DH’s skills and experience, particularly with the amount of ‘have a go Joes’ having a ‘bash’ at it these days.

The problem with people like this is, quite often they think they’re superior but of course they don’t have the qualifications, skills or intelligence to do it. They simply wouldn’t have a clue.

They pay you, so they think they own you. Hence phone calls at stupid o’clock.

What makes it worse for you and your DH is he knew he didn’t want to do it in the first place and went against his better judgement.

I bet they’re even too stupid to appreciate how much their property will have increased in value due to his expertise - and that’s after your DH costs.

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 20:33

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 20:25

I’m afraid the only yob is the one who showed up at the OP’s house.

Believe it or not, being a paying client does not entitle you to behave this way.

What entitled op to behave this way? The shouting, I mean, not the watered down "speaking firmly" it was later downgraded to?
If that doesn't signify yobbish behaviour to you then I'm afraid it suggests you may have yobbish tendencies yourself.

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 20:39

Yep, definitely a yob here!

WibblyWobblyJane · 20/05/2022 20:40

Despite the current climate in the world, being wrong is not a zero-sum game. Both the client and the wife of the business owner can be wrong at the same time. The client being wrong (and the OP’s husband, and his friend, and everyone on mumsnet who disagrees with her) does not make the OP’s behavior right.

ReadyToMoveIt · 20/05/2022 20:42

WibblyWobblyJane · 20/05/2022 20:40

Despite the current climate in the world, being wrong is not a zero-sum game. Both the client and the wife of the business owner can be wrong at the same time. The client being wrong (and the OP’s husband, and his friend, and everyone on mumsnet who disagrees with her) does not make the OP’s behavior right.

Exactly. The client was an absolute dick. Entirely unreasonable.
So was the OP.

SherbetDips · 20/05/2022 20:43

Well you were really. I mean it’s not gonna do his companies reputation any good if his wife is screaming at paying customers.

it makes him look unprofessional and inept at doing his job in all honesty.

Maverickess · 20/05/2022 20:44

The client was told the DH wasn't at home though and was undeterred, and continued to engage OP in this, OP told her he wasn't there and the woman carried on - she took it to OP, she spoke about needing to resolve it etc etc, and the OP reacted as she's quite entitled to do when faced with this situation.
Expecting professionalism is something people hide behind to excuse shitty behaviour, safe in the knowledge that they can do and say what they like and expect professionalism back. It's a form of bullying imo.

I work in a customer facing role, I deal with people speaking to me like this regularly and I do so with professionalism - if one of those people decided to track down my home and start about it on my doorstep with a member of my family, all bets are off. You're paying for a service, not a piece of someone's soul. If you take the argument to someone not professionally involved then you take your chances with how you get treated.

wanderingscot · 20/05/2022 20:50

The client doorstepped you. She has no right to do that and you are right to react adversely - although may be you went a bit too far. But I don't blame you. I think I would have done the same.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:53

WibblyWobblyJane · 20/05/2022 20:40

Despite the current climate in the world, being wrong is not a zero-sum game. Both the client and the wife of the business owner can be wrong at the same time. The client being wrong (and the OP’s husband, and his friend, and everyone on mumsnet who disagrees with her) does not make the OP’s behavior right.

Yes. It’s not a zero-sum game, yet some people seem completely unable to understand that both of the sides in the slanging match were in the wrong.

I feel sorry for the OP’s pit bulls, the shouting must have really upset them.

Notonthestairs · 20/05/2022 21:01

"The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'"

Well it wasn't an ideal situation or a perfect response.
But you don't turn up to the home of your contractor.
If you do and your contractor isn't there you leave a number and ask them to call and walk away.
The client involved the Op directly and so can't complain when she gave her views.

Op - if your husband ever has to leave equipment behind again he should photograph where he's left it and immediately confirm that by email and attach photos.

Intrigueddotcom · 20/05/2022 21:03

dworky · 20/05/2022 20:20

What this thread has taught me is that a large amount people have been so well groomed by capitalism, they believe the most vitally important thing is to always act professionally, even while you're in your own home and the job in question isn't yours.
It's genuinely depressing to me.

So no middle ground between “behaving like a professional” and “exploding” and “yelling” like the op?

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 21:05

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 20:53

Yes. It’s not a zero-sum game, yet some people seem completely unable to understand that both of the sides in the slanging match were in the wrong.

I feel sorry for the OP’s pit bulls, the shouting must have really upset them.

’Yobs’, Pit bulls’ - nice playbook.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 20/05/2022 21:09

Maggiethecat · 20/05/2022 21:05

’Yobs’, Pit bulls’ - nice playbook.

Thanks, I think it nicely captures the essence of the situation. It may not be “true”, but has a truth to it.