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Just shouted at partner's client from hell

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Dygger · 20/05/2022 13:26

Name changed for this, as my partner knows my usual posting name. Sorry, this is a massive post.

My partner runs a company in an area of the construction industry. The work is usually for high-end new builds, usually on sites with professional project managers supervising. However, he was persuaded by one of his friends to quote for a local renovation project. He was quite pleased when the clients phoned and told him he hadn't got the job because he was so expensive (he's not). They later came back to him, unapologetic, and asked him to do the work. He initially said no, but he was cajoled back into the project by his friend.

It's been a nightmare. The project has been very poorly run and the clients have changed their minds about everything time and again. He is used to a certain degree of this, and can normally take the pressure, but they've got a particularly emotive, distrustful attitude that drives him mad. He's off-loaded much more than normal onto me. He's also fallen out with the friend who got him involved in the project and that's brought him down. Every bill is queried, with the implication that he is ripping them off. Every solution and product he recommends is questioned and queried and other, inappropriate, options suggested.

The project has finally limped to an end. Two months ago my partner took over the last, hard-to-get-hold-of component which will allow them to control the heating, lighting and ventilation remotely. The wall where they wanted the control panel and a one of the sensors still hadn't been plastered (their last plasterer walked out on them) so he left the two unfitted components in their boxes with the client. When they called him back after the plastering had been done, the parts couldn't be found. They accused him of taking the parts away with him. He didn't. None of the team ever remove paid-for components from a secure site. My partner says he gave them the boxes and they put them on a windowsill. The client denies this. They want him to pay for replacements. £600. My partner said no. They've phoned him several times, whinging and moaning and he has said stood firm and sent them an email telling them to order and pay for replacements and that until they confirm they've done this, he won't be answering their calls.

The wife just turned up on our doorstep, wanting to speak to him. He isn't here and I told her this. She then started on the 'We need to come to an agreement on this, we don't see why we should have to pay twice for parts your partner lost. He needs to replace them.'

At which point I exploded. I told her that he hadn't lost them, they had. That the job has been a nightmare but he's continued because he's a professional with a first class reputation. That their delays and unreasonable demands and the hundreds of hours of time they've spent on the phone mean that he's already lost money on this job and won't be laying out a penny more. She stood there and said 'It's been very hard for us' and I heard myself yelling 'I don't care! Go away, buy the components yourselves and he'll finish the job for you and then we can have nothing ever to do with each other again.' She argued for a while and I told her I had nothing more to say and I was going to shut the door on her.

After she'd gone I called my partner expecting him to say thank you and to have a laugh about it. Instead he said he should have just bought the replacement components and said nothing to me about it. It might have cost him £700 but at least it wouldn't have ended up with me shouting at her.

I now feel nearly as angry with him as I do with her. Practically every day for the last year I've had to listen to him complaining about her or her husband. They've phoned in the evenings and at weekends. He's had innumerable sleepless nights. He nearly lost one of his employees, who was so upset by the way he was treated by these people that he wanted to leave in order not to have to go back to the property.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 10:11

It won’t make a difference to his reputation as OP says
Well, she would, wouldn't she? 😂.
She has no power to influence it one way or another, unfortunately.

Maverickess · 21/05/2022 10:23

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 10:02

If you approach someone not professionally involved in something, you're not entitled to a professional response
You can expect them to refuse to get involved, certainly. Not launch themselves right in there shouting and "exploding".

The OP told the client that the DH wasn't home, she was involved further by the client.
OP was at home, taken unawares and then the woman continued after OP said that the DH wasn't at home.
It wouldn't have happened if the client hadn't a) turned up at all or b) accepted OPs answer that he wasn't home and available to discuss.

minipie · 21/05/2022 10:27

I agree Maverickess that it was completely unreasonable for the client to turn up at the door. I have no sympathy for the client whatsoever.

But I do have sympathy for the DH. At any stage the OP could have shut the door rather than repeating her DH’s grievances to his client. Which could end up harming his company. The OP is confident that it won’t, but it’s not her company, so not her call.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 21/05/2022 10:32

minipie · 21/05/2022 10:27

I agree Maverickess that it was completely unreasonable for the client to turn up at the door. I have no sympathy for the client whatsoever.

But I do have sympathy for the DH. At any stage the OP could have shut the door rather than repeating her DH’s grievances to his client. Which could end up harming his company. The OP is confident that it won’t, but it’s not her company, so not her call.

We can probably expect a post soon explaining that she’s actually a director / owner so it is hers.

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 10:44

@SlightlyGeordieJohn

oh she’s already said she a business owner that NEVER divulges a single worry to her partner about any employment issues she has

sure. Sure

Maverickess · 21/05/2022 10:48

minipie · 21/05/2022 10:27

I agree Maverickess that it was completely unreasonable for the client to turn up at the door. I have no sympathy for the client whatsoever.

But I do have sympathy for the DH. At any stage the OP could have shut the door rather than repeating her DH’s grievances to his client. Which could end up harming his company. The OP is confident that it won’t, but it’s not her company, so not her call.

I feel for the DH in the fact that he's going to have to deal with these clients again and they're now going to feel they're the aggrieved party even more because of what happened.
But I put that squarely at the clients feet, not OPs.

WibblyWobblyJane · 21/05/2022 11:02

Portiasparty · 21/05/2022 09:11

I disagree that this will ruin his reputation. Good builders are like unicorns and you wouldn't miss out on using one because some complete pain in the arse client bad mouthed him. From the sound of it she'd bad mouth him anyway whatever you'd done. I can understand why your DH is a bit annoyed because normally it wouldn't be your business but she made it your business when she came to your actual home and dragged you into it.

Incidentally I once told my husband's boss that he wasn't available to speak to him on the home phone when he was ill. She'd already tried his work phone and mobile phone which were turned off because he was ill. I'm sure some people on here would say I was in the wrong but unless he's a surgeon or a bomb disposal engineer, your emergency is not an emergency.

People get away with this shit because they don't get called out on it.

As long as you didn’t shout or engage her in a conversation about how she had made his life miserable…

WibblyWobblyJane · 21/05/2022 11:13

Even if the client deserved whatever she got, what gave OP the right to share her husband’s frustrations and private thoughts with anyone at all? She’s entitled because she found it annoying to her him complain? She’s acted as if him having the annoying client was a worse experience for her than him. The clue here is him saying wished he had not told her at all and that he had just bought the components again. That speaks volumes about their relationship.

minipie · 21/05/2022 11:13

Good builders are like unicorns and you wouldn't miss out on using one because some complete pain in the arse client bad mouthed him.

Unfortunately this just isn’t true. If I’m thinking of using a builder I will internet search them and ask around, and if I read or hear a bad report it will make me think twice. Same for everyone I know. How would I know that the person giving the bad review is a nutjob nightmare client? (sometimes clues are in the review but not always). It’s really unfair but bad reviews from clients do have an impact even if they are in reality unwarranted.

And yes maybe she would have badmouthed the DH anyway, but the OP’s certainly given her more ammo now.

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 11:18

And yes maybe she would have badmouthed the DH anyway, but the OP’s certainly given her more ammo now.

So how does that work? The builder’s wife was rude to me? Would anyone decide not to use a builder with an excellent reputation based on that? Anyone with an atom of sense would laugh.

minipie · 21/05/2022 11:21

Blossomtoes no, it’s all the complaints that DH had made about the client to the OP, which the OP has now told the client.

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 11:21

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 11:18

And yes maybe she would have badmouthed the DH anyway, but the OP’s certainly given her more ammo now.

So how does that work? The builder’s wife was rude to me? Would anyone decide not to use a builder with an excellent reputation based on that? Anyone with an atom of sense would laugh.

No, potential clients don't tend to "laugh" at bad trade reviews. That's really not how it works 🤦‍♀️

Herejustforthisone · 21/05/2022 11:22

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 11:18

And yes maybe she would have badmouthed the DH anyway, but the OP’s certainly given her more ammo now.

So how does that work? The builder’s wife was rude to me? Would anyone decide not to use a builder with an excellent reputation based on that? Anyone with an atom of sense would laugh.

I suspect it’ll just spur them on to spread rumours that the OP’s partner did steal the hardware and that really would be damaging.

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 11:25

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 11:21

No, potential clients don't tend to "laugh" at bad trade reviews. That's really not how it works 🤦‍♀️

They do if the only bad review mentions “His wife was rude to me”.

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 21/05/2022 11:34

If people read a review like that, they would assume the wife worked in the business. Otherwise, why is she talking to customers at all never mind being rude to them? And if there are reviews for builders that don't include comments about people being 'rude' then of course they're going to consider them more favourably.

OP's temper got the better of her. And instead of admitting that, she's doubling down both with her DH and on here.

Herejustforthisone · 21/05/2022 11:50

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 11:25

They do if the only bad review mentions “His wife was rude to me”.

In what world do you think this already pissed off woman, who actually felt compelled to go to the OP’s house, is going to limit her review to ‘the builder’s wife shouted at me’?

Blossomtoes · 21/05/2022 12:00

In what world do you think this already pissed off woman, who actually felt compelled to go to the OP’s house, is going to limit her review to ‘the builder’s wife shouted at me’?

She’s not. But if she includes that at all it discredits anything else she might say, particularly if every other review is positive. Hence my disagreeing with the pp who says she’s given the client more ammunition.

Anyway, OP says the majority of her bloke’s work is via professionals like architects who will have vast experience of nightmare clients from hell and know the quality of his work.

Intrigueddotcom · 21/05/2022 12:04

The client was always going to give a shit review and say he was a thief

bow she just tags on - and he has an unhinged partner who shouts abuse

AhNowTed · 21/05/2022 12:06

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 22:11

She’s “RP and articulate”, you know
And the RP accent could easily have been deduced from the written op, as she'd helpfully left "clues" 😂

Who on earth says with a straight face "I'm RP".

Someone who wears their alleged class very heavily indeed.

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2022 12:08

Johnnysgirl · 20/05/2022 17:38

Where did I mention my partner's boss? He doesn't have one. He is the boss
Not where a paying customer is concerned, don't be daft.

When I use a tradesman I certainly don't think I become their boss!

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:13

The woman had a complaint already when she showed up at the builder's house, blossomtoes 🤦‍♀️
The bad review is not actually centred round the reception she got there Confused.
Op has just piled on more fuel to the fire instead of passing the situation onto her dh to actually rectify (and he's actually told her he had planned to do just that, before she stuck her oar in).
To imagine "his wife was rude" to be the basis of the complaint is ridiculous.

Electrox · 21/05/2022 12:14

I don't think you were unreasonable. If the woman didn't want the battle of 'the wives' she shouldn't have doorstepped you and made accusations against your husband. You stood up to her aggressive bullying; good for you. Why should you stand there with a beatific smile letting her talk to you in such an insulting way?

Johnnysgirl · 21/05/2022 12:14

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2022 12:08

When I use a tradesman I certainly don't think I become their boss!

Do you think he becomes yours?

Electrox · 21/05/2022 12:16

I do wonder if the people responding like this are the same ones complaining at not having enough money to cover the bills.

I doubt it. Letting a bully walk all over you gets you nowhere.

Branleuse · 21/05/2022 12:27

WibblyWobblyJane · 21/05/2022 02:32

I, for one, am very grateful so told us outright in case we missed her clues.

That was in response to being called a fishwife and from a council estate, which she said is nothing wrong with but was interesting to see the class assumptions.
Quite disingenuous to refer to this as if she just said it out of nowhere.

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