Israeli forces attacking funeral procession of a journalist

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I've just seen the videos and have been reading up on this, utterly gobsmacked..
I mean, you'd think they'd have left the funeral take place?

Because Israelis shoot / kill and ask questions later.

This is terrible.

@TheGratefulBread Wow, you really think the Palestinian people would shoot and kill (when they don't have guns, only stones) their own journalist?
I'm not Palestinian nor do I have any ties to them, but it doesn't take a fool to know what has happened here.

Also this thread was about the funeral possession, do you agree that was barbaric behaviour from the Israeli forces?

Who set those rules?

@Philisophigal
Yep, I agree, Israel = bad.

Just read what you just wrote, ridiculous argument, they didn't follow the rules so let's act with absolute barbarity whilst a funeral is taking place.
Maybe the Israeli soldiers should have fuxked off for the day and let the Palestinian people bury their dead in peace. HER COFFIN WAS ALMOST ON THE FLOOR FFS, and you're still sticking up for the Israeli soldiers

The world has given Israel impunity to carry on and do whatever while they turn a blind eye, they know they can get away with it so that's why a cold blooded murder of a journalist is nothing new.

RIP Shireen.

Who ever was in charge of the army/police operation should be relieved of their command. Its a recruitment video and will directly lead to more violence, and a half decent commander/ government would be clever enough to recognise that.

The UK government had to deal with flags singing and full militarily displays, including gunfire, I don't believe that any of the sucessive governments ever attacked the people carrying the body.

That clip, attacking the body of someone who died is an affront to basic decency in most, if not all cultures.

If the government won't allow people to bury their dead .....

So yes in this instance Israel = bad = stupid

Agree

If you want to make sure you create enemies for the future, this is the way to go about it.

How can you create peace in this part of the world? Can you imagine if this kind of thing had happened in Northern Ireland with British troops? Maybe similar scenes did happen - but policing funerals and attacking mourners and the coffin nearly falling on the floor - it is just going to enflame a situation that is already enflamed and continue to create division.

It is a very disturbing video. I’ve never seen police attacking pallbearers before and the coffin nearly falling to floor as a result.

I am 'one of those lefties' and cast my very first vote for a Jewish socialist , Solly Kay. He would have been very saddened by this. I have no idea what the answer is tbh. It only seems like yesterday that Israeli people , like Amos Oz , were advising the parties in Northern Ireland about how to make peace. No doubt they too want peace - but they are just too strong to need it ?

What a dreadful post. Like the mealy mouthed excuses trotted out by Apartheid era South Africa.

I would be interested to know the reaction in Israel to those images - there might well be a range of views on the circumstances of her death, but I do wonder how these particular scenes with the coffin almost falling on the floor are being seen and discussed? You would hope that no matter what your politics, you can see the horror of those scenes

From The Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-706638

"The excuse is that Palestinians at the funeral shouted slogans, carried Palestinian flags and threw objects. The problem is that for law enforcement agencies, every problem is often a nail and every solution is the hammer."

Totally, while Israel annexes yet more of Palestine and forcibly carries its people off the land. Absolutely disgraceful.

There's footage of what the police did.

Is there footage of the stone throwing?

The attack was indefensible.

They beat the pallbearers.

Why? Did they throw stones? Odd choice to beat the people carrying a coffin imo.

Blind defence of all actions of a country is wrong.

"They were waving flags and singing the national anthem" is not a reason to attack people carrying a coffin.

If you are not horrified watching the footage because of the flags, then where would you draw the line? What behaviour would you condemn?

Absolutely disgusting. Always excuses. No peace for the dead let alone the living. Israeli forces have got away with this for so long that we now have become numb to any news that comes out from there unless there's a new level of low such as attacking civilians and loved ones until the coffin nearly falls of the the journalist that was brutally murdered by this apartheid state for reporting.

To be clear when I said one of those I meant anti-Semitic lefties. I am a leftie. I do think there's a issue with anti-Semitism and it does worry me. But if my Jewish friends are capable of separating the behaviour of Israel and Judaism, I think I probably can too.

I once travelled with a group of Israelis in Asia. They behaved atrociously, particularly to the local people. One of them was very chatty with me, really clever and interesting bloke, so I asked him why. I assumed it was because they were all fresh out of the army (and can you imagine how a group of just-released British squaddies would act?). He was a little older (officer). He said, "everyone in the world hates us anyway". That feeling that you only have to answer to yourselves and you are surrounded by people who, to a greater or lesser extent, hate you, is not designed to make behaviour measured and empathetic.

Feeling you are alone against the world surrounded with enemies who want you dead, it's no wonder there is terrible behaviour. It doesn't mean we ignore it and pretend it's not happening.

My point is though, none of us know for sure, we weren't there. We aren't carrying out the investigation. Perhaps best to wait for the investigation to conclude.

Where have I heard that recently. 🤔

Good post. I hadn't really thought of the 'everyone hates us so there's no point in being nice ' angle. Antisemitism is certainly a real problem. The Tory Party was riddled with it if Alan Clark's diaries are to be believed. Including Clark himself. Coincidentally I'm just reading Them , adventures with extremists, by Jon Ronson.

The nutbag militia men seem to be terrified of some phantom Jewish conspiracy. Although many also support Israel. Personally I like conspiracy theories ; there's something comforting about them. I just don't believe them. Because if I've learned nothing else in my life I've learnt this : nobody knows wtf is going on.

I hadn't really thought of the 'everyone hates us so there's no point in being nice ' angle.

That seems like such a childish attitude though, something people would usually grow out of as teenagers, and it definitely isn’t a good excuse to be rude especially to locals when you’re in a country that isn’t your own.

Anti semitism is a problem, but no more so than racism in any other form. I don’t see why it needs to be brought up like clockwork on any thread that criticises the actions of the Israeli government.

No one needs to bring up xenophobia every time we criticise the Russian government or racism when we criticise the actions of the North Korean government because no matter how much or how little racism people from those countries might experience, it’s completely irrelevant to the aggressive actions of their governments.

Finding antecedents for things isn't the same as excusing them.

Feeling you are alone against the world surrounded with enemies who want you dead, it's no wonder there is terrible behaviour. It doesn't mean we ignore it and pretend it's not happening.

You are referring to the Palestinians......? You know, the people who have been dispossessed of their land for over 7 decades, the people whose interests and welfare no one seems to care about anymore...

Or are you referring to Israel - an immensely rich state backed and financed by the most powerful nation on earth, a nation with a huge and well equipped army, and (it is rumored...) nuclear capability?

This. Only one side of the story is ever told when it comes to Israel.