Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

MrsMingech · 2022-05-13T18:09:50+00:00

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one. My search efforts suck, clearly. Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman). Its so bullying, awful and nasty, I couldn't list to it all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

Pumperthepumper · 13/05/2022 19:14

That video is 34 actual human minutes long. Can you summarise it?

RubiesandRose · 13/05/2022 19:22

Sorry, I couldn't get past the cringing intro to actually watch it!

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 13/05/2022 19:24

34 actual human minutes long

[Grin]

DressingGownofDoom · 13/05/2022 19:29

Dunno why the judge is wasting all this time listening to actual evidence when 34 minutes on YouTube would have the whole thing done and dusted!

Original poster

MrsMingech · 13/05/2022 19:53

So no one had it in them to listen to A.H recordings of Johnny Depp?

Im surprised.

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MrsMingech · 13/05/2022 20:04

Pumperthepumper · 13/05/2022 19:14

That video is 34 actual human minutes long. Can you summarise it?

Start at 13.10 maybe?

I just randomly pushed it forward, A.H doesn't stop before nor after that.

its fucking grim

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TooManyPJs · 13/05/2022 20:10

Why is she naked?

RunningFromInsanity · 13/05/2022 20:11

Just because she abused him doesn’t mean he didn’t abuse her too. And that’s what this case is about. For the purpose of this court case it literally doesn’t matter whether she abused him.

Neither this trial or the one against The Sun were criminal domestic abuse trials.

For this case, all AH has to prove is that JD did abuse her (even just once) and therefore her article in The Washington Post was not defamation.

TooManyPJs · 13/05/2022 20:11

She goes on a bit.....

Alarae · 13/05/2022 20:19

I believe they were a toxic match made in hell.

She's clearly not a shining beacon for abused women considering she has been recorded saying she hit him and that no one would believe him.

He clearly abuses substances and even if he never laid a hand on her (I don't know what to think on this) he probably was emotionally abusive (throwing/breaking things etc).

There are no winners in this and there shouldn't be as it sounds like a mutual path to destruction.

SpidersAreShitheads · 13/05/2022 20:35

I don't think video shows AH at her worst, tbh. I've heard far worse videos of her abusing JD. This is just basically her talking over him , taunting him for being old/washed up and goading him into trying to respond, but he doesn't get much of a word in.

I don't necessarily think being in a relationship with JD was a bundle of fun, being an ex addict etc but I haven't seen anything anywhere that shows him abusing her. A video of him slamming cupboards during an argument is the worst it gets - and that's not abuse.

On the flip side, I've heard multiple videos of her taunting him, admitting to hitting him and so on. She's changed her story multiple times - and not minor changes. There's previous history of her attacking/abusing her sister and an ex girlfriend.

She has photos of everything apart from her actual injuries which are so exaggerated it's ridiculous. There's no way she suffered any of the injuries she claims. And given her fascination in taking photos/videoing everything I think it's a minor miracle that there are NO videos/photos of anything she claims.

There is one set of photos which a) doesn't show the injuries she claims and b) have been forensically analysed and the meta data is missing (which apparently is common when the photo has been edited).

I'm honestly bemused how anyone is supporting her. The ridiculous behaviour on the stand just compounds it.

And FWIW, I'm not especially a JD fan.

yourestandingonmyneck · 13/05/2022 20:40

What's a DP Pom Pom shaker?

Gettingthingsdone777 · 13/05/2022 21:42

I haven’t listened to this specific audio but I’ve listened to 4 hours plus of these recordings (quite ill and bored at the moment) and I see that no one covers themselves in glory here, but on balance I think Johnny Depp is predominantly responsible for the abuse in this relationship. He fits the profile, and his behaviour fits the profile to a tee, and that’s if you only take his word for it or go by his text messages and the recordings. It’s possible he met his match in AH but he is the least innocent here imho.

Now, I would not be happy if anyone spoke to me or treated me the was AH treats him for parts of these recordings but this really has all the hallmarks of what happens to women after staying in an intensely emotionally abusive relationship long term. There are very few ideal victims of abuse, and sadly people with pre existing mental health problems often become the target of abuse in part for that very reason. The abuser can say “Yes, it’s true, I lost my temper once or twice, and I really regret it, but only because she’s crazy! She pushed me to the edge! This isn’t me, I’m a good guy usually”.

I Don’t buy it from him, I get why people do- but allow me to bore you with some thoughts on this. Here is a list of the red flags Mr Johnny D was waving, often long before he met 25 year old-little known-actress Amber Heard; they are text book indicators of abusive tendencies to a greater or lesser extent:

History of destroying property, NB not his own property (so he’s not just “out of control” his violence has a purpose)
history of arrest for violent assault of paps
previous partner, Ellen Barken, reportedly accused him of throwing a bottle at her
most of previous partners were far younger than him (abusers love to have power over their targets -this is a guaranteed way of doing it- if you doubt it think of what age you are now and minus 22 years from it and consider all the advantages you would have over a person that much younger)
an addict who blames his bad behaviour on his addictions
previous partners describe him as insanely jealous and possessive (he admits to this on the tapes)
history of cheating on his partners
history of -being best friends with serial rapist and abuser Marilyn Manson,defending convicted rapist Roman Polanski publicly and working with him, campaigning for the release of convicted child rapist/murderer Damien Echols (he had his conviction overturned in fairness because of Depp’s campaigning but weird hobby horse none the less). His hero was Hunter S Thompson and Johnny would hang out with him and was quoted joking about “not beating Kate Moss up enough” with him- KM was GF at the time- oh the lols .
he has an extensive collection of knives and guns (MAJOR red flag)
the relationship got serious very quickly, he declared love for her very early on
He lavished gifts on her along with her family and friends (this is a classic abuser move- if anyone ever does this run for the F-ing hills)
his “jokey” texts to Paul Bethany about Amber which included gems such as “let’s drown her before we burn her, I will f**k her burnt corpse to make sure she’s dead” I don’t know any non-abusive man who would even consider this kind of imagery for a joke about someone they respected
He wrote messages and words like “whore” on a mirror, in blood, using the bloody stump of his severed finger, during a fighter with AH
Called her horrible names as well, called her fat etc, accused her of being a whore- all the classics
threatened to hurt himself during arguments with her
on camera violently bashing things and throwing stuff around
the vast majority of violent abusive men claim they were abused and were only abusive in self defence.
he’s very deliberately charming and “humble” on the stand yet the recordings and track record show a different story
abusers tend to be much better at covering the tracks of their abuse than their targets are at creating the perfect victim persona- many many abusive men use their partner’s mental ill health against them for custody bids, to get family and friends on side or just simply to win.

There are loads more red flags really, and red flags are not proof -but if this man didn’t instigate the abuse in this relationship I’ll eat my hat. The play book couldn’t be more stereotypical, and he was clearly the one with the most power in this relationship to start, and he’s shown a lot of abusive or abuse adjacent behaviours in the past. Just because someone speaks calmly and seems even tempered doesn’t mean they are sane one. Abuse is not about losing control, it’s about gaining it over another person by any means necessary.

PrettyMaybug · 13/05/2022 22:19

How did all this get recorded?

Listening to that, Amber really does sound quite hideous. Aggressive, shouty, and sweary. But nobody really knows everything that happened. We are only hearing a fraction of it.

Also, is that Christina lass (the 'host') naked?!

SpidersAreShitheads · 13/05/2022 23:54

Gettingthingsdone777 · 13/05/2022 21:42

I haven’t listened to this specific audio but I’ve listened to 4 hours plus of these recordings (quite ill and bored at the moment) and I see that no one covers themselves in glory here, but on balance I think Johnny Depp is predominantly responsible for the abuse in this relationship. He fits the profile, and his behaviour fits the profile to a tee, and that’s if you only take his word for it or go by his text messages and the recordings. It’s possible he met his match in AH but he is the least innocent here imho.

Now, I would not be happy if anyone spoke to me or treated me the was AH treats him for parts of these recordings but this really has all the hallmarks of what happens to women after staying in an intensely emotionally abusive relationship long term. There are very few ideal victims of abuse, and sadly people with pre existing mental health problems often become the target of abuse in part for that very reason. The abuser can say “Yes, it’s true, I lost my temper once or twice, and I really regret it, but only because she’s crazy! She pushed me to the edge! This isn’t me, I’m a good guy usually”.

I Don’t buy it from him, I get why people do- but allow me to bore you with some thoughts on this. Here is a list of the red flags Mr Johnny D was waving, often long before he met 25 year old-little known-actress Amber Heard; they are text book indicators of abusive tendencies to a greater or lesser extent:

History of destroying property, NB not his own property (so he’s not just “out of control” his violence has a purpose)
history of arrest for violent assault of paps
previous partner, Ellen Barken, reportedly accused him of throwing a bottle at her
most of previous partners were far younger than him (abusers love to have power over their targets -this is a guaranteed way of doing it- if you doubt it think of what age you are now and minus 22 years from it and consider all the advantages you would have over a person that much younger)
an addict who blames his bad behaviour on his addictions
previous partners describe him as insanely jealous and possessive (he admits to this on the tapes)
history of cheating on his partners
history of -being best friends with serial rapist and abuser Marilyn Manson,defending convicted rapist Roman Polanski publicly and working with him, campaigning for the release of convicted child rapist/murderer Damien Echols (he had his conviction overturned in fairness because of Depp’s campaigning but weird hobby horse none the less). His hero was Hunter S Thompson and Johnny would hang out with him and was quoted joking about “not beating Kate Moss up enough” with him- KM was GF at the time- oh the lols .
he has an extensive collection of knives and guns (MAJOR red flag)
the relationship got serious very quickly, he declared love for her very early on
He lavished gifts on her along with her family and friends (this is a classic abuser move- if anyone ever does this run for the F-ing hills)
his “jokey” texts to Paul Bethany about Amber which included gems such as “let’s drown her before we burn her, I will f**k her burnt corpse to make sure she’s dead” I don’t know any non-abusive man who would even consider this kind of imagery for a joke about someone they respected
He wrote messages and words like “whore” on a mirror, in blood, using the bloody stump of his severed finger, during a fighter with AH
Called her horrible names as well, called her fat etc, accused her of being a whore- all the classics
threatened to hurt himself during arguments with her
on camera violently bashing things and throwing stuff around
the vast majority of violent abusive men claim they were abused and were only abusive in self defence.
he’s very deliberately charming and “humble” on the stand yet the recordings and track record show a different story
abusers tend to be much better at covering the tracks of their abuse than their targets are at creating the perfect victim persona- many many abusive men use their partner’s mental ill health against them for custody bids, to get family and friends on side or just simply to win.

There are loads more red flags really, and red flags are not proof -but if this man didn’t instigate the abuse in this relationship I’ll eat my hat. The play book couldn’t be more stereotypical, and he was clearly the one with the most power in this relationship to start, and he’s shown a lot of abusive or abuse adjacent behaviours in the past. Just because someone speaks calmly and seems even tempered doesn’t mean they are sane one. Abuse is not about losing control, it’s about gaining it over another person by any means necessary.

There's absolutely nothing here that points to abuse imo. And if the roles were reversed and these accusations were being levelled at a woman it could be called "victim blaming".

I could go through and answer each point but I think people make up their own minds, and nothing dissuades them from the position they've taken.

I don't think he's a great guy to have a relationship with but I haven't seen anything to indicate abuse. Even the recordings when he doesn't know he's being recorded and that Amber produced, he's not abusive. The name-calling is only ever after extensive provocation.

I feel so bloody sad for him that he's being judged like this, and that he'll never now manage to shrug this off entirely. A woman would never carry this kind of tainted reputation based on zero evidence the way that JD inevitably always will now.

And as I say, I'm not a JD fan, so I'm completely unbiased in this. And I'm also a raging feminist so it goes against every bone in my body not to believe a woman who claims to be abused.

Chakraleaf · 14/05/2022 00:03

None of my friends feel the same but I truly believe she is not lying.

WeCouldBeSpearows · 14/05/2022 00:06

Interesting.

Op posted five hours ago.

The video, according to YouTube, was posted five hours ago.

You found that very quickly op, considering you aren't really following the case.

Sortilege · 14/05/2022 00:07

I CBA to watch great chunks of something without knowing what the argument being put forward is.

However, I am bemused that this is being treated like a “whodunnit”. It’s glaringly obvious to me that they both dunnit. Who is suing who for what civil tort is a side issue.

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 03:24

This is hilarious just because it's ...woah they are so petty. Both of them are like incredibly childish and petty it's actually amazing. The argument is so petty and pointless. The shitshow in the court is one thing, but this is just an amazing display of the shallowness and narcissism that drives Hollywood. It's almost comfy.

Andromachehadabadday · 14/05/2022 03:48

He wrote messages and words like “whore” on a mirror, in blood, using the bloody stump of his severed finger, during a fighter with AH

Is that the finger that got severed because she threw a bottle at him?

How is that a sign he is abusive and she is reactive? Surely that supports that it’s the other way round? She threw a bottle, severed his finger and that was how he reacted?

I may be wrong, but didn’t she make huge amounts of recordings? But non seem to support that she was the reactive one.

and if recording and setting someone up to prove they are abusive, after you have abused them and pushed them to react, surely she did that also?

I also think a large amount of abusers (not just men) claim they were abused, so this could apply to her. I had a male relative who was punched in the back of the head by his wife, she has rings on and he needed stitches. I went up to the hospital, where I found the wife and her adult son talking. She told her adult son that if he called the police she would say he hit her first. Anecdotal , of course, but it’s abusers who set the other person up. Not abusive men. Of course, because men are more often abusive there will be more evidence that men do this. But I believe it’s a hallmark of an abuser. Not an abusive man if you get what I mean.

I really don’t believe it’s clear at all that he abused her, she reacted and he set her up to look abusive.

growandhope · 14/05/2022 03:48

@RunningFromInsanity Just because she abused him doesn’t mean he didn’t abuse her too. And that’s what this case is about. For the purpose of this court case it literally doesn’t matter whether she abused him.

Wholly incorrect. You cannot be both and destroy one person and not the other. You cannot be within the remit of the case be both abused and abuser within a single relationship within the terms of this case. Can you imagine what doors that would open in terms of defence mechanisms.

TheKeatingFive · 14/05/2022 04:09

You cannot be within the remit of the case be both abused and abuser within a single relationship within the terms of this case.

Erm, why not?

ICanSmellSummerComing · 14/05/2022 07:57

What gets me is she decides incredible levels of violence , pushing punching, strangling etc but not once have her photo showed anything?
Weber seen dreadful picture of people who have been attacked by violent partners but there is nothing rhere?

Indicatrice · 14/05/2022 08:23

YABU OP for posting one link out of context when there’s hours of recordings.

Come back when you’ve summarised all the recordings into a one pager.

Indicatrice · 14/05/2022 08:24

ICanSmellSummerComing · 14/05/2022 07:57

What gets me is she decides incredible levels of violence , pushing punching, strangling etc but not once have her photo showed anything?
Weber seen dreadful picture of people who have been attacked by violent partners but there is nothing rhere?

What about the picture of her bruised and red, swollen face?