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MrsMingech · 13/05/2022 19:09

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

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Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:40

No, they don’t. False allegations are very, very rare.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:41

Also, it’s laughable you think she has a positive public perception - her life will be hell after this.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:44

@Pumperthepumper that is only because it has not gone how she thought. It's possible that she thought she would be exonerated but it's had the opposite effect.

I disagree that false allegations are rare. I have come across a great many in my time. Some women do want to ruin the lives of some men, it does happen.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:50

You’re wrong though, they are rare. Some reading will help you see how rare they are:

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/files/false-allegations-bp-170913-1-1.pdf

I can’t imagine a possibility where she could go against a man as loved as Jack Sparrow and think she had a hope of changing public opinion in her favour. How many women came forward about Bill Crosby in the end?

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 16:53

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:50

You’re wrong though, they are rare. Some reading will help you see how rare they are:

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/files/false-allegations-bp-170913-1-1.pdf

I can’t imagine a possibility where she could go against a man as loved as Jack Sparrow and think she had a hope of changing public opinion in her favour. How many women came forward about Bill Crosby in the end?

I'm not sure how statistics can capture what I imagine the majority of false rape allegations are like (no-one actually taken to court, no investigation of any kind because it's just something being used relationally not legally).

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:53

It can be surprising what levels some women (and men) will stoop to.

Nearly every body language expert I have watched all take the view that she is not being truthful about the incidents where JD was physically violent. One even went as far as to stake his career on it.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:54

So what are you basing your perceptions on?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:54

@QuotetheLaw which means absolutely nothing.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:54

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:54

So what are you basing your perceptions on?

Do you mean me or the other poster?

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:55

@Pumperthepumper they are experts in their field and do it for a living. So experts are to be discredited now?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:55

The other poster. If not stats, how else do you know how common they are?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:56

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:55

@Pumperthepumper they are experts in their field and do it for a living. So experts are to be discredited now?

Yes. It’s meaningless. Body language is not an exact science. It proves nothing.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 16:56

@Pumperthepumper how do you know it is meaningless? Are you an expert in the field?

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 16:56

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:35

Why would she say it then? Not a teeny tiny possibility it’s true, rather than telling an easily proved lie in court?

Because she claimed she was a victim of sexual violence in the OP Ed so the jury has to believe he has to have sexually assualted her for her to win the case.

Her lawyers tried to get that aspect of the defamation case thrown out as she didn't write the title but they were not successful as her name is on the article.

And she didn't have time to create a trail. There were multiple people who arrived at the house very soon after the assault described above, including a doctor and a nurse who both assessed her and didn't see any of the injuries she said she had.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:57

@QuotetheLaw because it is meaningless. It’s not used in court, it has no connotations in real life. They also don’t know her medical history, she could have any number of diagnosed medical conditions that makes her body move unexpectedly. It’s hokum.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:58

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 16:56

Because she claimed she was a victim of sexual violence in the OP Ed so the jury has to believe he has to have sexually assualted her for her to win the case.

Her lawyers tried to get that aspect of the defamation case thrown out as she didn't write the title but they were not successful as her name is on the article.

And she didn't have time to create a trail. There were multiple people who arrived at the house very soon after the assault described above, including a doctor and a nurse who both assessed her and didn't see any of the injuries she said she had.

So why bring it up at all?

Midlifemusings · 14/05/2022 17:00

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:58

So why bring it up at all?

Because that is one of the three things the defamation case is based on! If she doesn't show there was sexual violence, then Johnny wins as she defamed him.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:00

@Pumperthepumper in your opinion it is but I think there is a lot of validity to it. We all show signs when we are uncomfortable or when our adrenaline spikes. We all do certain things that show a deviation from our baseline. That is why they watch her for a baseline as everyone is different but deviations from that can indicate different things.

That tied with the lack of evidence to back up what she is saying, the evidence showing her as the predominant aggressor and the fact that the moment she started talking about JD, it was clear acting (the acted emotion doesn't tie up with the physics of emotion) leads me to conclude that she is not telling the truth.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:01

But she must have brought up sexual violence in the first place in order for it to become defamatory!

AccessibleVoid · 14/05/2022 17:01

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 16:55

The other poster. If not stats, how else do you know how common they are?

I have no idea but I don't think statistics around crime reporting specifically can disprove the idea that the extra-legal relational use of rape accusations are low. I'm not saying they're high. I think there's certain kinds of people who would make them a lot and that most people would find it unthinkable to use them.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:02

@QuotetheLaw like false allegations, it’s not my opinion. Body reading is nonsense.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:03

@ in your opinion it is because it doesn't support your narrative which is fine. You're entitled to feel that way. I just don't believe in simply believing someone simply because she is a woman when the stacks of evidence or even lack of evidence shows it more than likely to not be true.

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:05

How would anyone even know the number of false allegation? Is someone going to make an allegation and then admit they were lying? I highly doubt it.

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:06

No, it’s not my opinion - if body reading was in any way reliable it would be used in every single court case. It’s garbage - what if she had mild Tourette’s that hadn’t been leaked to the public? Or a childhood tick that had never been treated? Or ADHD? Or a historical neck fracture?

Pumperthepumper · 14/05/2022 17:06

QuotetheLaw · 14/05/2022 17:05

How would anyone even know the number of false allegation? Is someone going to make an allegation and then admit they were lying? I highly doubt it.

So what do you base your option of false allegations on?

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