Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

[MrsMingech]

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

The claim she was a victim of sexual violence was in the title of the OP Ed. The tile was "I spoke up against sexual violence...."

It is accepted that the Washington Post wrote the title and not Amber - however Amber's name is on the published article as the author with that title. Her lawyers tried to argue that sexual violence defamation claim based on the title shouldn't be part of the case because Amber didn't write it but they weren't successful - it stayed part of the case. The Washington post then changed the title of the Op Ed to " A transformative moment for women" but the one with sexual violence in it had already been published. So it stayed as part of the case and Amber and her legal team have to convince the jury she was a victim of sexual violence or else Johnny wins.

So why go along with it? Why invent a claim on the basis of someone else’s mistake?

Thing is the cavity search (reported at the time it happened) and pussy grabbing is plenty, I believe she was sexually assaulted, honestly I almost think it would be impossible for her not to be given the alcoholism, drug use and Depp's personality and general attitudes to women. Like I see no scenario where a person like that doesn't at least from time to time when wasted off their face get grabby with a woman they see as "theirs" regardless of her feelings on the matter. So yeah, why make up the bottle story? It doesn't seem rational, but people are often irrational. Just because she was sexually assaulted (in other ways and at other times) does not mean this story has to be true.

@ of course it is your opinion that it is garbage. People do that for a living, even in the military so I highly doubt it is garbage. You just have that opinion that it is - that's not factual. Many things are not used in a court but that does not mean they are independently nonsense, it is just courts have rules of evidence. For example, in a family court case you have to get permission to submit audio and video files. The judge can say no and not allow it but that doesn't mean the audio and video evidence is garbage.

So after all your comments about not reading anything into Amber's behaviour you are happy to conclude that people that drink / get drug or use drugs and have made negative comments about the other sex are all rapists and sexual offenders?

If a woman gets drink and calls her ex a dickhead or an asshole or a ballless piece of shit - can we also assume she likely raped him? Are you going to apply your theory to everyone.

That ia a massive leap in logic and defies rational thinking

And why did she go along with it? Because she is being sued for $50 millions dollars - she doesn't want to lose the case!

But video evidence actually exists. Body language is not something that exists in any real context. It’s not science or technology, it’s in the same category as psychics and ghosts.

@Pumperthepumper sorry it cut all the message off again. Don't know why it keeps doing that on here.

Are you intoxicated right now? It isn't an exact science but it is a science that has been researched, studied, and taught. Look up nonverbal communication on Google Scholar - that is what we are talking about. It isn't some out there concept like psychics and ghosts.

@Midlifemusings no, why go into a defamation trial on the back of someone else’s allegation?

But video evidence actually exists. Body language is not something that exists in any real context. It’s not science or technology, it’s in the same category as psychics and ghosts.

No. It’s at best 70% reliable:

www.google.co.uk/search?q=is+body+language+a+science&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

I don't understand what you are asking. She was sued. She had no choice but to go into a defamation trial. She is the defendant. Defending herself against the claims she defamed him in the OpEd

Yes I am willing to lay down that I believe people who have the power to abuse someone (rich, alone with woman, guys who clean up after you), the motive to abuse someone (horny), social justifications in their mind to abuse them (they're "my woman", "she's a mouthy bitch and deserves it"), cultural values that encourage them to abuse ("women should be sexy and available all the time and I'm entitled to and kind of cool for taking what I'm owed") and disinhibitory factors that limit the effects of social messaging against the behaviour (totally off their face) - then its pretty much guaranteed they'll go ahead and do it.

I know if all those factors were true for me I would do it. Obviously it's not a legal argument - it doesn't say anything about a specific instance or event - but people do what they feel they can get away with and are justified in doing. WHY wouldn't they?

She has a choice when the article was published to officially state the wording had nothing to do with her. She had plenty of opinions aside from doubling down and making up complicated, easily disproved scenarios.

@Pumperthepumper

I have no idea why you linked to a google search! That isn't evidence of anything. As I said go and look at research articles on Google Scholar on Non verbal communication. You will see it is a 'real' concept.

I linked to loads of further reading for you that body language is garbage. Send me a link if you want to change my mind.

@AccessibleVoid are you saying that if you could get away with it you would assault and abuse people?

Of course she had a choice and similar to her many other lies, she didn't try to ensure the truth came out about this one either. She didn't know at the time she would be sued - she thought everyone would just believe anything she said.

She just wanted people to hate him and given it was at a time when MeToo and TimesUP was big in the news, she attached herself to that movement (And people in it like Amanda De Cadenet) and went along with it. Got her more press and more attention than if she hadn't included sexual violence. We know the ACLU wanted the article timed with her movie release to try and capitalize on the attention it could get. Newspapers want to sell copies too. Amber doesn't care about truth so it was a 3 way win for all of them to make up a heading about sexual violence at the time.

@Pumperthepumper

Here. There are 53,700 articles and books just since 2018 with far more credibility than a google search result that brings up blogs and random opinions.

scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2018&q=non+verbal+communication&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

If I could get away with it both in terms of other people AND in terms of soothing my conscience with justifications... yes. Anyone with a reason to would (and often do). What other factor could inhibit the behaviour if not social consequences and your own conscience?

I’ve had a quick flick through them and none of them so far have said that body language can tell definitively if a person is lying. Is there a specific one I can read?

@Midlifemusings completely agree with everything you have said. I cannot get my head around the notion of believing what someone says with nothing to back it up. It is the same as if I went to the police and said my ex had raped me but having zero evidence such as medicals etc. I know not everyone gets medicals after it happens but police just cannot proceed with no evidence.

That’s all in your head though. How many rich and famous men have been brought down on the say-so of one woman?

How many had to come forward before Weinstein was stopped? Bill Crosby? Dustin Hoffman? There’s not a chance she thought she could lie and be believed.

@QuotetheLaw so how do you get justice for rape victims if they don’t have medical backup? Or for historical claims? Just assume they’re lying?

@Pumperthepumper

Here you go
scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=3515740859332137801&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en