Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

[MrsMingech]

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

The recordings are horrendous and tho not the full picture show JD as the abused rather than the abuser. She is terrifying.
my ExH was an alcoholic and narcissist who behaved like AH. He threatened to destroy me if I left him and tried. He told family and friends I had punched and kicked him. Completely made up. He made up other lies and exaggerated events to try to damage me. Bad people often lie

The judges reasoning negates his findings for me. As does the context that his son worked with Dan Wootten. Also Rupert Murdoch who owns the Sun sits on Tesla's board of directors and Elon was paying for Amber's lawyers. Way too many conflicts of interest.

He said she couldn't be a gold digger because she donated $7 million to charity.

He said she couldn't be lying because that would be perjury and she wouldn't want to perjure herself.

He believed everything she said and we now know what quite a bit of her testimony wasn't true - but that is what he based on it.

He dismissed pretty much all of Johnny's evidence outright without even considering it as he had already decided that Amber wouldn't lie so anything that contradicted her was to him not worth considering.

Do you generally not believe women who say they’ve been raped?

This. Fed up with the narrative that people who are abused cannot fight back or be dysfunctional themselves. It does not mean Depp was not abusive, which is what this ridiculous case is about.

I generally believe anyone, man or woman, who says they have been raped. Until it is evident that they are telling many lies and I begin to question their credibility. I don't blindly believe anyone even when there is evidence to the contrary and when there is evidence of lies.

That is what the UK case was about. Any abuse is not what constitutes defamation in this specific US case.

And what evidence do you have that Amber Heard wasn’t raped?

I didn't say she wasn't raped. I said I personally don't believe she was raped because of the many, many lies she has told and the complete lack of credibility that she has. There are so many contradictions and nothing adds up regarding her stories. I have listened to hours of the recordings and what her complaints / issues with Johnny and their relationship and her descriptions of events and of her actions and of Johnny's actions in the recordings don't align with or support her current testimony.

So you don’t know if she was raped or not, but you choose to believe she wasn’t?

No, it was her recordings and her videos and she's submitted them to the case. That's was so bizarre, she thinks they show that her behaviour is fine and that he's in the wrong?

The list was a typo. Genuinely thought that was obvious but clearly not 🤔

I didn't watch 13 minutes, as I said I randomly pushed the bar 13 minutes forward.

You are very bizarrely argumentative, and clearly spoiling for a fight. It's actually actually a bit weird. Maybe you have stressors elsewhere and taking it out on MN perhaps. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Pumperthepumper what evidence is there that she was? I agree with a previous poster about her stories not adding up and the extent of the abuse that she alleges, she would have needed hospital treatment.

I’ve no idea. I’m just more inclined to believe she was raped when she says she was. Why would she have needed hospital treatment?

@Pumperthepumper I couldn't read what you wrote at the end because the app cuts off the messages mid sentence for some reason now.

Just heard that it has been confirmed that Warner Brothers have removed AH from Aquaman 2.

I’ve no idea. I’m just more inclined to believe she was raped when she says she was. Why would she have needed hospital treatment?

@Pumperthepumper Thank you for reposting. It's with her description of what happened on the numerous occasions of alleged violence. She says she was thrown across the room, punched repeatedly in the head, walked across glass and slashed her feet, her back and arms scrambling over glass when on the counter, violent sexual assault with a bottle. Her accounts are horrific and I believe that if they were true to the extent she claims, then she would have needed hospital treatment of some kind. One punch to the back of your head can kill you and JD wore rings etc which would have caused contusions and cuts in her scalp. The extend of his blows to her head could have potentially caused a fractured skull.

She said she was raped with a bottle of Maker's Mark. Don't ask how I know this but to get that in without a lot of prior training would mess you up to say the least.

So if its as simple as that, why say it? If it can be disproved by she wasn’t cut enough, or she wasn’t sad enough or she didn’t seek medical help, why didn’t she just hurt herself and create a medical trail?

@Pumperthepumper I don't know why people may make false allegations. I can't speak to the psychology behind it but the medical records do not tally with the extent of injuries she would have had.

I honestly think of the two of them she seems more likely to be the "victim" (mainly just because of the power disparity and the way Depp is so successfully playing the game). But that doesn't mean she didn't lie or exaggerate about anything. And like... if people were always perfect liars we'd never know people lie. People can lie or exaggerate impulsively and then feel backed in a corner and forced to not back down, people can fail to think through implications and how people will react, nobody's perfect. The way she described what he did, if he was using an object that size, she would have needed medical attention. If she didn't get it there would still be evidence in terms of how she healed up.

There's lots of charitable explanations though. She could be mistaken about the object (she said it felt square but doesn't mean it was the bottle she thought it was). She could be desperate and feel the need to exaggerate despite ample genuinely bad behaviour from Depp that just doesn't seem bad enough to her because she'd mentally normalised it. She could have scars that she doesn't know about and hasn't considered getting checked out (but surely someone would have told her). But I really don't see someone being repeatedly and violently violated with a makers mark bottle without it doing significant damage. Yes a baby can come out through there but a baby isn't repeatedly thrust in and out and there's time and hormones that relax and dilate the area beforehand - and even then people still tear. If you're being raped you're generally going to tense up which will make damage worse.

It is certainly interesting watching discussions on this and how people have twisted and interpreted what was said.

Heard never claimed the bottle was broken, she claims he sexually assaulted her with the bottle and that she hoped it wasn't broken. She mentions broken glass a lot. There are also lots of photos of the mess in the house, yet there is a lot less broken glass in them than her statement suggests.

Clever that because its put into peoples heads the idea that the bottle WAS broken.

Maker's Mark bottles have a particularly long neck, if you were into messing around with household objects during sex, particularly drunken, booze filled sex, it might be an object you'd consider.

Personally, I think thats what happened, I think in many of the things she says, there is the tiniest grain of truth.. they had a row at some point and drunken make up sex that involved penetration with a suitably shaped bottle neck. Later on, she adds that event to the fight where she threw bottles at him and cut off the tip of his finger.

IF she had actually been violently penetrated against her will with a bottle, to the point of bleeding, she would have injuries, had that bottle been broken she'd have had to seek medical help - if that were the case you'd think she'd mention it and they'd be documented, but as far as I know, she has not.

That is quite strange because she has taken photos that she claims show injuries he inflicted upon her that are very minor, and could easily be self inflicted or totally fictional - so if she did have serious injury, you would expect she'd have documented that or would have a medical report about that.

I've known plenty of people who will mis-remember or add together separate events and put their own twist on it, its hardly an unknown phenomenon.

Why would she say it then? Not a teeny tiny possibility it’s true, rather than telling an easily proved lie in court?

I just listened to some of it and in the bit I listened to, they both sound totally trashed and JD is mocking AH acting, saying he got her where she is, and telling her to die. Then the narrator diagnoses AH narcissism on the basis ofhow she laughs and says she is "gaslighting"
It's totally misogyny

It might interest a few people to learn that over 70% of rape victims receive no physical injury after rape

mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/healthimpact.shtml

@Pumperthepumper Lots of people make false allegations, especially if they don't want to be outed as the aggressor. If she wasn't believed as a victim then she would lose her positive public perception which she desperately needs.

I'm not saying JD is innocent because his behaviour is awful but she is not the angel she is trying to make out she is and I don't believe someone is a victim just because they say they are. DHs ex consistently claims to be the victim when I know that isn't the case so woman do make things up, possibly to deflect the attention from themselves for bad behaviour