To think everyone needs to get a bloody grip

[crochetmonkey74]

Lighthearted -I'm so sick of everyone being so flaky after the pandemic. Last minute cancellations, emails not replied to for far too long, friends being just all a bit wet about everything. Anyone else feeling totally fed up and want to tell everyone to get a bloody grip

This now must be wilful misunderstanding.

Couldn’t agree more. COVID hasn’t turned people into snivelling, worrying hypochondriacs who need to either get a grip or simply stop using COVID as an excuse to be a shit human being.

People have had diseases for hundred S of years but for some reason we are protecting ourselves against just one disease that is not and hasn’t been a high consequences infectious disease since 19 March 2020.

I cannot believe how people conform to such BS. Makes my blood boil.

Has not hasn’t

I am really sorry to hear this @ancientgran - take care and hang in there. I do hope you begin to feel better soon 💐

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Some horrific things have happened but it’s bizarre to take a thread about people not replying to emails and being a bit flaky when it comes to social arranging and accusing the OP of thinking this of victims of suicide, domestic violence, bereavement etc, it does seem like deliberate offence taking.

[1000 people a week dying due to Covid]
"That is 0.75 person per hospital per week. 3 quarters of a person. And that's if all hospital based. The number is so insignificant comparably to other conditions and concerns. It's worrying you believe that to be a meaningful number."

They're excess deaths. That's 1000 families grieving every single week (or fewer, obviously if there's more than one death in the family in one week).
That's not 'insignificant', and it's meaningful to those families and friends. Yes, the statistical chances for any one individual person dying of it are low, but it is something that, if it was measured in terrorist attacks or train accidents or even a new disease, would be front page news.

And those cases, because it's so transmissable, then do impact treatments for other illnesses. We've lost frontline NHS staff to covid. We're allowing them to get infected and need time off, and beyond the human cost, it also means longer waiting lists for non-covid things.

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Is covid still a thing? As far as I’m concerned, life’s back to normal. When I see the odd person wearing a mask now, I find myself doing a double take.

It’s fascinating how differently people were affected by the pandemic. I had covid really badly (hospitalised) but since then I’ve not let it bother me. It’s felt rather exaggerated on the whole, which is not to say some people haven’t had a rough time.

Well, to give some examples, the extended family get togethers (think grandparents cousins level). When we went to the first one post covid, and the second/third cousins etc were naggy that everyone come just like before.

But we have no direct relationship. We get the invites second hand, and when we attend, they can barely remember our jobs etc, they're mainly interested in talking to those who they're actually friends/close family with.

Basically to some people you're just a body count. So they can say, yes, I get the whole family together. Yes, I host big family parties. Etc.

And therefore you are clearly not who I was talking about

It is. I've actually suffered 2 of these myself in covid and been really low. My point was a more general one but lots of threads on here go like this at the moment

The concept of 'allowing' people to get infected doesn't meaningfully apply when we have something as contagious as Omicron. It still spreads even in lockdown. We're clearly not having another one of those, but even if we did, we just aren't able to control it or prevent transmission in situations that inherently involve close contact.

Not now we are on the other side. The Covid threads on here are testament to the fact people did. It bought out the very best but also the worse in human nature.

Watching my husband undergo massive surgery then treatment for terminal cancer alone because of restrictions has left me with trauma. Realising he had had a massive stroke before my eyes one Saturday evening then having to fight to be 'allowed' to see him due to restrictions because he was already terminal has left me with trauma. Having to call time and time again and getting no answer to my calls, has left me with trauma. Watching my previously fit, strong husband succumb to cancer because the stroke meant no more chemo has left me with trauma. Not hearing him speak because the stroke had robbed him of his voice and seeing him so disabled in his last weeks has left me with trauma so I may appear flaky to some. I certainly don't always reply to emails in a timely fashion and I put off making some phone calls because I just can't face it at the moment but, all through that time I have never once let my children, his child or my fosterlings down. I have learned who my true friends are and I love them for understanding that, right now, I am flaky.

It's difficult, isn't it? On the one hand, the pandemic is 'over', on the other hand a relative is in hospital with breathing difficulties after someone said 'Covid's over, it's just a cold' when they came to visit. It may be 'on the other side' in one sense, thanks to vaccines, but its hard to say it's 'not a high consequences infectious disease' when a known individual is suffering so badly from it - lower macro consequences at a population level disguising huge individual consequences, perhaps, alongside a level of desensitisation developed as a necessary defence?

I do think this thread is getting confused, I know covid isn't over, I don't mind or care what other people think about their own personal safety or the choices they make. I understand that lots of people have been through lots of things but that's not what I was saying

Thanks for this, you're right, no one gave a flying shit. I have Chronic fatigue, and had to practically beg for years and years whilst suffering to be taken seriously by doctor after doctor, and endured facing outright disbelief from many medical professionals, frequently offered anti-depressants (because the assumption was I was just depressed and a little over wrought) as a cure for debilitating brain fog that affected my ability to read and write and even speak sometimes.

Then suddenly covid virus and the need for mass compliance and tada! Oh it's so dreadful....people are ill, people have overwhelming fatigue, brain fog is affecting people's memories, nerve pain, muscle weakness, loss of balance...what was new about it aside from the numbers of people affected and the obvious breathing issues?

I actually did get an escalation in symptoms after catching covid twice, and was immediately referred to the long covid clinic. The irony. I had never been referred for even basic physio when I was so bad I could barely walk.

I wonder are people with LC being offered CBT as a cure? I bet not.

The only difference from what I was already going through was the breathing problems

I assume there are generous grants being handed out for research left right and centre which means this can now be taken seriously.

That and the fact that it's not just a few women who are affected this time but a sizable proportion of the population.

I feel sorry for those people with "long C" who may not recover fully in say two years. After 5 years or so when long covid is no longer trendy, they'll be where those that were already suffering are.
At least they can point to covid though.

But if Covid isn’t over, many people have suffered huge trauma and you know that people are making different choices about their personal safety (for a whole variety of reasons), why are you so insistent that we all just need to ‘get a grip’? It’s OBVIOUSLY not that simple….

.........yes I agree exactly with your theory about the macro / micro consequences and the significant shift that has caused to people's behaviour - and empathy.

@crochetmonkey74
I think I do understand what you were saying. And that you are getting the rough end of the stick here / wilfully misinterpreted by some posters.

Read my previous responses where I clarify and give specific examples

But your specific examples are children showing less resilience (due to the lack of opportunities they have had the last few years), and colleagues being lazy (let’s face it, some always have been). It doesn’t seem enough to tell everyone to get a grip, especially as you are now saying you didn’t mean any of the obvious interpretations of that phrase??

The difference with covid is that it is contagious?

So true. Being resilient isn’t always a good thing.