To think everyone needs to get a bloody grip

[crochetmonkey74]

Lighthearted -I'm so sick of everyone being so flaky after the pandemic. Last minute cancellations, emails not replied to for far too long, friends being just all a bit wet about everything. Anyone else feeling totally fed up and want to tell everyone to get a bloody grip

i've lost most of my friends. My mum keeps suggesting that I can solve that, but no.

they clearly didn't want to be friends with me.

for my part, I sort of get OP's point but I found lockdown harder than the other tough stuff in my life, and I'm not sure I'll get over it any time soon. I think some people might say they have Covid stress when they mean lockdown stress?

I think your post (OP) is at best insensitive, but giving how much back peddling you have bern doing through the thread, I think you have come to realise that yourself. I applaud that!

What a charming creature you are.

You just have to live with Covid like the Tories think people should live with poverty. There's no doubt it has changed people and it will take a while to get back to normal, whatever normal was. I had Covid recently - not very pleasant - and it's left me tired with some other after effects.

I agree! Best to just make solo plans

I agree. I think many people's lives have changed so much that it all seems like a huge effort, but also public services are terrible so you often can't get where you want to go anyway.
Had dinner plans for tonight, various people off sick or CBA, and then the organisers trains were canned.

Do you call your students flaky, or tell them to get a grip?
The pandemic has hit some people extremely hard. Including whole businesses falling flat and losing homes. Some people are exhausted and down right depressed from it all tbh. So yeah, I think you are being unreasonable. It takes time for some people to recover from this kind of thing.
Would you say that about the people that have committed suicide due to the circumstances created by COVID.

This ⬆️. @FlissyPaps - totally agree

This about sums it up.

It's a difficult one, and I think it's telling that the votes on this are so close to 50/50. We have lived through a very culturally and historically significant period, and it isn't over yet. Both the disease itself and the response to it have had some absolutely massive impacts, some of which we understand and some of which we don't. Of course, this has had an impact on people. I wasn't too bothered by covid itself, but the impact of restrictions has changed me. It's made me a different parent. The experience of seeing your DC considered unworthy of schooling or socialising did that. It taught me that the state isn't going to prioritise them so I've got to.

In addition to the genuine impacts, there are now as there always have been and always will be people who swing the lead. Covid is a very nice excuse for some individuals and institutions to do things they want to do, or not do things they don't want to do. This is particularly evident in the workplace. It's a factor in it own right, and is also being exacerbated by genuine recruitment shortages due to the impact the pandemic is having on work and society.

I've been off work for 3 months with covid that turned into pneumonia. I feel fragile, depressed, I'm exhausted and in pain. Sorry that I'm letting the side down.

I think this obligation avoidance behaviour is more common in the West, simply because people can afford it, in the sense there is safety net in the form of benefits, and it's more socially acceptable.

I don't really recognize behaviours described here, or at least they are not increased compared to pre-covid time

Vast majority of people where I live, me included, don't even think about Covid any more. Salaries are low, prices are high, idiots are talking about secession and war...what can you do but grit your teeth, push forward and hope for the best. Covid was bad, but certainly not the worst collective experience we had in recent history.

What I am trying to explain (probably unsuccessfully) that you need stable, safe and rich society to consider mental health at all.

It's been 2 years of being told we have to stay in, wear masks, socially distance, how dangerous it can't be etc. You can't expect people to 'get back to normal' overnight.

Covid hasn't gone away just because the government has said we've got to live with it now.

It's going to take a long time to recover.

Yeah I lost my dh last July, to cancer after a bloody horrible shocking diagnosis, 3
weeks after he was diagnosed,
we married in hospital, had to wear masks and we could only have 1 of our five dc there due to covid restrictions. We were allowed 5 people and had to wear masks. He was dead 8 days later. I have ptsd and I’ve had a near mental breakdown and now I’m under cardio for atrial fibrillation. So yep op I’m a right cissy and wet and should just bloody get on with it yeah.

we may have to deal with death etc before covid but fuck me there were no restrictions on funerals, weddings and restrictions on who can see our dying loved ones! I had to fucking choose which one of our kids could see us get married and which one could see him in the hospice before he died. My son never saw him And that will haunt
me forever.

Lighthearted has a different meaning on this site

well its not the type of subject to be lighthearted about really is it?

when so many have died, people have lost loved ones and peoples worlds have been turned upside down it’s a bit galling to be called flaky and wet when in reality many people are just clinging on to thier sanity and are grieving

From a 60 plus perspective I think many people I know have had health scares and coped fairly well with Covid. Perhaps because they had contingency plans in place for serious illness? Or had already been scared of dying alone?
In my case developed illness plans with neighbour, which is a good thing.
Biggest thing for me is the financial fallout. But think this was coming with Brexit anyway. Covid IMHO was a great smoke screen here.
Big change post Covid is use of technology. Good that it's shown that people can work effectively from home. Bad in terms of NHS appointments and feeling that face to face connection. Cold.
And bad both during and after Covid for much older pre tech generation.
Tbh the people I know who were precious about health got worse. Vast majority were sensible but OK.
Did make those with elderly relatives more careful, but understandable.

So sorry. 💐

When I see the news and images of large halls filled with Ukrainian refugees, old and young, sleeping all together I think, where is Covid in all of this. Suddenly we have a bigger, more dangerous and traumatic common foe, when the time comes, we do step up, I think most people are living again bit maybe with more consideration and caution. There will always be some who are too scared and unwilling to take any risks, because there is risk, this cannot be denied. We either choose to manage it and live our life, we after all only get one shot at it, or we hibernate and hope that others will rally round for us. Some have had a rougher ride than others, even so, I do feel a little irritated by people still too scared to step outside their homes, or meet up with friends and relatives. But, ultimately it’s their choice, and their life.

Vast majority of people just had to stop going to the pub etc and work from home. You can generally tell the glass half empty/full types by whether they're happy to have their relative freedom back or whether they're still 'dealing with the trauma'.

Erm, I think millions of DC being denied schooling for months and a good chunk of parents having to combine their jobs with childcare and/or homeschooling, depending on DC age, was also a fairly big part of the picture.

I'm not sure how many more times I can say that the mask wearing, staying in, dropping friends etc is all fine and your choice.
My annoyance is with the last minute cancelling, or the people who can't fulfill basic job requirements. Also the lack of understanding of social duty or responsibility. I am also not backpedalling but I do take on board other opinions and like adapting my opinions (why I love mn)

It's a difficult one.

For me, the issue is to what extent people's own behaviours and experiences are impacting on others. So for example, people doing obviously stupid shit like complaining because other people aren't in a position to stay off work every time they have a sniffle, or complaining that others don't share their evidence free beliefs about masks stopping Omicron, do need to have those ideas squashed pretty quickly. Whatever led them to that place.

Then at the other end of the spectrum, you're obviously right that people wearing masks, choosing not to socialise etc is their business and nobody else's.

However, there's also a middle ground. And that's where it becomes much harder to call. How much can be done to accommodate people's experiences and situations in the workplace, for example.

However, there's also a middle ground. And that's where it becomes much harder to call. How much can be done to accommodate people's experiences and situations in the workplace, for example
Yes I agree with this

"Man up"? Try telling that to the men who have suffered domestic abuse from their partners during the lock downs, not to mention the kids. Sorry for all the women affected too. Its heartbreaking to see it.