Is Starmer seriously going to resign???

[Swayingpalmtrees]

I have been waiting for a thread to come up about this, but I can't see one to date. I can't believe Keir Starmer has now said he will resign (and Angela Rayner as well) Potentially leaving the Labour party with no leader at all!

Looking at the 'evidence' that is well known and has been published, it appears the Indian takeaway was pre ordered (due to its size) and pre planned according to the staff at the Indian and the leaked memo, it did include quite a number of people and bottles of beer etc and drinking. It was late into the night, so not work related, and no one is suggesting anyone continued to work afterwards as it was so late. I don't see how this is any different to the No10 arrangements! So how on earth will they avoid a fine??

Sir Keir's speech was so wobbly I actually thought he was resigning there and then, and although I appreciate the sentiments of integrity and honour, where on earth does that leave the LP with under two years to the election or less?

Who would replace him? Do we have any thoughts on a plan of any kind?

I am kind of aghast, we are in the middle of a European war, on the cusp of potentially WW3, I am not sure this is a responsible action given the seriousness of our predicament with Russia whom are threatening us on a weekly basis with nuclear war. At the very very least, we need a firm hand on the tiller, so to speak, we do not have time to be squabbling over beer and cheese.
AIBU?

My use of the word 'cavalier' wasn't really serious. The anecdotes above prove one thing. CV is easily transmittable no matter what you do. The 'rules' were ridiculous and caused immense harm. All fines should be rescinded and people should be reimbursed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/starmer-police-gave-woman-retrospective-10-000-fine-9zgmfkmqw

Totally different situations. A balloon release would not come under a funeral exemption. It was a gathering that was clearly against the law unlike eating a takeaway meal whilst working.

Why does that suggest he was cavalier? No-one has ever claimed that social contact rules were a complete barrier to catching covid. If they were, we needn't have bothered with spending all that money on vaccines, need we?

No, they weren't ridiculous. They didn't provide complete precautions, but you only need to look at the pre-vaccine infection statistics to see that they were nevertheless pretty effective.

Ive had covid 3 times

I havent once broken the rules, I work from home and rarely went out at the time.

My DH works in a job which takes him into hospitals schools and prisons. It was inevitable we would get it multiple times.

We certainly werent cavalier about it.

If you are in a privileged enough position that you have been able to avoid catching it twice then how lovely for you, and how very ignorant of you to use this as a measure of a person.

Not only has derxa said something very offensive, they are now brushing off the criticism with ‘I wasn’t serious’. How convenient 🙄

I agree. Nice sidestep and refuge being taken in her anti rules /lockdown position, about which she's been pretty consistent throughout.

😂😂Since when did anyone work ‘unpaid’in the NHS.Why do some people always bring up working in the NHS as some sort of saintly,holier than thou job!!

@LadyMary50 I don't know whether you are aware of it, but the NHS doesn't pay overtime. So when you're working over your contracted hours, usually 37.5, you're working unpaid. If you're lucky, you'll get time in lieu, but usually this is not possible because there's not enough staff. During the first 4 weeks of the pandemic I clocked up regular 10 and 14 hour days - and I'm not even clinical.

I know in many sectors working stupid hours is the norm - but the pay is usually a good bit better.

Since when did anyone work ‘unpaid’in the NHS

Since people work long after their shift ends and way more than their contracted hours. The NHS runs on goodwill and people going the extra mile.

There is a lot of unpaid overtime/goodwill

Many staff have to 'handover' at the start and end of their shifts, that's at least an hour every day.

Clinics often over run, so clinic staff are often working long past their scheduled times

People ring in sick and those already working are pressured to work a little extra until they've got sick cover.

Let's not forget the volunteers, without whom many hospitals wouldn't be able to operate - tea stands, 'walkers' who accompany patients to appointments, including locating and pushing wheelchairs, drivers, greeters, note finders and fund raisers.

Some NHS roles do get paid overtime.

Since when did anyone work ‘unpaid’in the NHS
The NHS has a massive number of volunteers. I've just spent most of 2021 volunteering at a vaccination centre myself.

I worked in the NHS for 20 years and never met anyone who got overtime.

I get overtime, in the form of pre-arranged shift cover.

I work full time and cover the odd shift here and there for annual leave or sickness

Many NHS admin staff are part timers though and will only get overtime rates if it's pre-arranged with their line managers and they have worked 37.5 hours in the week.

They must have worked over their contracted hours in order to qualify for the overtime rates over 37.5

Anything else, if it's paid, will be plain time.

It's a shit system and systemic reform is required.

Gingernaut I'm admin and I have always been full time, including during the mad days of early COVID. Before then I also worked over my hours just because of tight deadlines. No overtime. Not. A. Sausage.

I knew that and was glad to get some TOIL now and then.

Ah yes. The dreaded TOIL Tally book, treated as if it was a savings book and somehow, I never did manage to get a whole day off.

I can't believe police time is being wasted on any of this.

Old folk's carted with COVID out of hospital and into care homes.

Yes. Big horrendous deal.

Top political people and staff having some drinks...I can't be Bothered.

Even jezza c had one too many people at a dinner party. I can't bear the man but that was their Risk to take.
It didn't affect me or anyone else.

What is the average nurse salary for nhs at the moment please ?

That depends on what band. You can look it up - NHS pay bands are publicly available. A newly qualified nurse will usually start at the bottom of Band 5.

£25,655.

The incident happened during electioneering, when the rules were different. Also it was an inside meal for those working, they returned to work after the meal, there's evidence of that. Sir Keir would not have offered his head up if there was a chance he was guilty, he would have already resigned. He's a top lawyer, was DPP, no doubt has many legal friends who he will have sounded out. The man is innocent, Durham Police had investigated & said nothing to see here, but were browbeaten into a full enquiry by the Lord & Master Tories (who are so far in the shit that they have to do something). The PM has been found to have lied over & over again, but his MPs are so frit of losing their £90,000 jobs (+expenses) that they keep him there like a stooge. He is a man who left his wife when she was undergoing cancer treatment, has illegitimate children with God knows who, has been sacked by national newspapers for lying etc etc. Meanwhile Sir Keir has not been caught out in any deceit or lying or anything untoward. But we need to wait & see. Bring on the Sue Grey report.

Much appreciated @Blossomtoes @pointythings

Well, I transferred sixty people out of the NHS to a private company, kept them on their A4C terms, and every single one of them was eligible for overtime (on their transferred NHS terms) and frequently got paid it.