Is Starmer seriously going to resign???

[Swayingpalmtrees]

I have been waiting for a thread to come up about this, but I can't see one to date. I can't believe Keir Starmer has now said he will resign (and Angela Rayner as well) Potentially leaving the Labour party with no leader at all!

Looking at the 'evidence' that is well known and has been published, it appears the Indian takeaway was pre ordered (due to its size) and pre planned according to the staff at the Indian and the leaked memo, it did include quite a number of people and bottles of beer etc and drinking. It was late into the night, so not work related, and no one is suggesting anyone continued to work afterwards as it was so late. I don't see how this is any different to the No10 arrangements! So how on earth will they avoid a fine??

Sir Keir's speech was so wobbly I actually thought he was resigning there and then, and although I appreciate the sentiments of integrity and honour, where on earth does that leave the LP with under two years to the election or less?

Who would replace him? Do we have any thoughts on a plan of any kind?

I am kind of aghast, we are in the middle of a European war, on the cusp of potentially WW3, I am not sure this is a responsible action given the seriousness of our predicament with Russia whom are threatening us on a weekly basis with nuclear war. At the very very least, we need a firm hand on the tiller, so to speak, we do not have time to be squabbling over beer and cheese.
AIBU?

No real gains at all - just both the Tory flagships in London. 🤷‍♀️

I think Starmer should show integrity and resign so the Tories can see what a principled politician looks like. And painting Johnson into a very tiny corner.

at this point I no longer care if he does or doesn’t

initially I thought not, but if he’s that keen.

Maybe someone else will do well, or not

It’s an ‘Indian drinks party’ now. What’s one of those?

I'm imagining ceiling fans, and verandahs , and lush exotic gardens. Possibly some elephants. Chin chin.

Well now you mention it that does sound rather nice piggy! Hopefully Starm will invite you to the next one

All this hard work campaigning, and Labour still lost the by-election.

Probably because a few days before Boris was breaking lockdown boozing inside a pub with some locals...

Exaggerated by me (because why not - it seems OK) but here's the link:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-accused-breaking-covid-24095070

Yes i work in financial services i have done for seven years thanks.

You have a wierdly narrow viewpoint though. Do you really think the only people working in financial services are striding around on trading floors?

There are vast swathes of people who work in financial services who will never work on a trading floor and in fact their company does not have one.

But I will be sure to tell my boss who bought me an alcoholic drink at lunch time last time i was in the office to sack me for actually drinking it.

Oh and I work 9-5 by the way as do the majority of the other 4000 plus people who work for the same financial institution as i do.

But sure i dont know what im talking about 🙄

OP, I'm really struggling to reconcile your knowledge of the long hours worked by people in financial services with your confident claims yesterday that no-one is working at 10 pm. Could you enlighten us?

And is there any danger of you answering the other questions that have been put to you?

You would be considered to have a drink problem here, and be referred to HR and almost certainly managed out.

It would not be acceptable to be drinking at lunchtime and coming back to attempt trades or other work. This happened over ten years on Fridays, but rarely/never ever happens now unless it is a very special occasion or a client lunch which happens very rarely now. Everyone still zooms, a few breakfast meetings maybe.
Maybe you are working in some bank somewhere and still have a drinking culture of lunch time boozing, but I still don't believe it. I haven't seen it anywhere for years. You are just trying to defend the indefensible.

Much of the sector start at 6am or before....some still work to 10pm but not many having already worked 14/15 hours straight. Those that are still working later won't be boozing and drinking. Like most professionals you will be dismissed immediately.

You can google the answers to your questions, I am sure you have plenty of time on your hands luc

Yes sometimes we have a drink at lunch time. Not every lunch time, but sometimes if we go out for a lunch together we will have a beer, usually bought by the boss.

I dont care if you believe me or not. I and others on this thread are telling you this happens. You not believing it doesnt make it not happen. Thats not how the world works.

@jaffacakesareepic - how dare you question the OP’s knowledge and authority on such a swathe of areas including your sector!!

One drink at lunchtime occasionally is hardly a culture of lunchtime boozing

And again, the vast majority of people working in financial services are not traders, and quite a lot of financial companies dont even have trading floors. It is a vast industry encompassing many different types of financial institution.

You do live in a very small narrow world dont you.

I also have a close friend who works in the telecoms industry, during lockdown they have friday 4pm cocktails together on zoom. Most would have carried on working after. Instituted by the boss, not a sackable offence.

I know, I am planning on sacking myself today! I am rather glad I dont live in the world that exists in the ops head. How very small, narrow, rigid and colourless it must be in there.

Although the only thing she’s passed on is replying to the points raised by @Luculentus

@jaffacakesareepic - she’ll be correcting you about that world too no doubt!

You do live in a very small narrow world dont you

My life doesn't require 'boozing' to be colourful thankfully. So last decade.

A drink with a team lunch is not the same as "drinking on the trading floor".

More hyperbole.

Yes, plenty of organisations allow drinking. Some even buy it for you and you drink it actually at work. And yes, you often do go back to work after - I still have fond memories of trying several types of gin at the Park Lane Hotel with our lawyers and yes, we went back to work afterwards. No, that wasn't the eighties either.

I've worked in four financial services companies as well. Also construction, tech, retail....plenty of others. The NHS has strict rules re no alcohol on the premises, but that's the only one I can think of. Oh, yeah, and I'm in HR, so it's me who does all these mysterious immediate dismissals you keep talking about.

But this is all irrelevant, Keir's beer was out of normal working hours and wasn't really in "the workplace", so all these odd rules you keep imagining wouldn't apply anyway. And the rules in your (quite frankly, disturbing) workplace are not law. It's only the law that matters here.

I love the way the OP is omniscient:

• She knows everything about every single workplace in the UK
• She knows exactly what is in the bundle of evidence presented to Durham police
• She knows everything about the relationship between Durham Police and the Labour Party
• She understands every single aspect of law during both lockdowns
• She is not wrong about anything, ever.

So special. Shame she isn't as good at answering people's perfectly reasonable questions.

In a world where one beer is boozing and getting a takeway is a dinner party you really must be living a high life.

But actually my comment referred to the fact that you cant seem to get your head around the idea that there are thousands of people in the financial services industry who work 9-5, will never have been on a trading floor and many of whom dont even work in a bank.

But you of course still confidently know when they stop working and what they do or dont drink, in the same way as you know precisely what emails have and havent been sent by the Labour party on a specific day.

Do you not get tired op with all of this very certain knowledge about everything in the entire country rattling around in your head?

I thought this summed it up.