Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

I think there was an issue that her team used some out of date software or something, I haven't looked into it in detail as I'm not remotely technical but just to point out that it doesn't mean anything about it being fake, just that they were able to block it due to technical reasons. Which is fair enough. But I don't believe they were faked, if anything they just don't look bad enough.

As far as I know, the Sun actually had to prove it (on the balance of probabilities). The judgement is pretty damning if you read it.

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Sorry but that whole spreadsheet is just silly and kind of looks like the work of someone who is not entirely mentally well

That's fine. I disagree it shows mental unwell though.

Then maybe you can empathise with Amber being in that situation.

No, i cant empathise with her at all.

I think JDs employees were also counted as friends too. They had a long history. Part of the job was to be discrete and to sort his mess out behind him without any consequences to him. I think part of the job was to see and hear nothing.

Not sure if I saw this on this thread or another. This opens a whole new can of worms and the plot thickens. I always took Witneys testimony with a pinch of salt. She's her sister, she's always going to try to protect her. The stairs incident sounded very unbelievable. Unfortunately for AH this shows her lying. So what else has she lied about? I am sure JD was abusive but she should have stuck to the facts and what he actually did. I think she deemed this as not enough, or panicked because it was committed in fights where they were both physically abusive. So she began to exaggerate the allegations into extreme abusive she just doesn't have the evidence for. Instead of sticking to what actually happened which she could back up with evidence eg the head butt, the kick on the plane and potentially the marks others saw.

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@mummyrocks1 then if you rule out friends and employees (indirectly/directly) you are left with third party evidence including photographs that cannot be verified with the correct date.

I was saying I would rule out JDs security guys. Possibly josh and elements of Rocky's statement. I actually thought most of her witnesses were credible except Witney.

I agree mummyrocks1

This case should be an straightforward case for AH to win.
JD has to prove AH lied about the DV and she did it maliciously.
That should be next to impossible to do.

JD states he headbutted AH by accident. AH states she believes it was DV. There is no way JD can prove she is lying about it. Or even if she is wrong and it was an accident, it is difficult to prove she has said it maliciously.

The problem is she has said other things that JD can potentially prove is a lie.
Or potentially the jury could view as exaggeration or lying.

It depends how you view this.

Do you think if someone lies (or even exaggerates) then everything they say is untrue?
Or
Do you think if someone lies, that doesn't mean everything they say is untrue?

Yes, Depp is shown to behaved in ways that are physically abusive - head butting and kicking her - Deuters confirmed and Depp said so
He is seen to by psychologically abusive - destroying property, slamming cupboards putting her in fear
He is seen to be jealous and controlling - by his actions around her career and demonstrated by others

Depp quite clearly can be seen to be abusive toward Ms Heard.
Her behaviour isn’t in question in this case, it is his.
Was he abusive? Did she believe he was abusive? Yes x 2, I think that’s been easily proven
Did she defame him therefore? No. As the defence to defamation is truth.
She also has SLAAP

Also for those speaking about Ms Heard perjuring herself - I think a look at Depp’s current testimony v his U.K. testimony is illuminating in both tone and content.

Does making up exaggerated stories about brutal sexual abuse count as defamation?

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That's how this trial should have gone.
At the beginning most lawyers etc said Depps will 100% lose this case.

But, this is not how the civil trial has played out.
JD team are playing a blinder. They are very, very good. IMO, far better than AH team and I think AH team have massively dropped the ball on a couple of things. The cross examination of Amber Heard was excellent.

I'm not saying I think JD will win. But I dont think it is straightforward as it should be.
AH may still call more witnesses. JD has his rebuttal witnesses. Then closing arguments. Finally the Jury's instructions.

Then there is the jury. This is where I think JD team have been very clever. Had this case been decided by just a judge, 100% JD would have lost. No question.
But Jury's are ordinary people, who, like us, can be (not definitely) be swayed by all the other stuff being brought into this trial.

Just going back a bit as I missed this post last night. On the issue where the judge has ruled that AW comments can be attributed to JD for evidence purposes then does the same not apply to the photo(s) of AH that were given to People magazine and they put on their front cover. Amber Heard said in her testimony that she didn't give the photos to People magazine but rather to her lawyers. Shouldn't this then be attributed in the same way? Or have I misunderstood (it's very possible!)

The thing is that you have absolutely no idea whether that happened or not. None. And yet you're confidently saying it didn't because you don't like her or you think her injuries would have been worse (even though you don't actually know how badly she was hurt and it's completely normal to repress things and not seek medical attention).

Very few rape victims ever have enough evidence for a conviction so I just find it so disheartening to see this attitude. It's not like she even went public with that allegation until she was forced to in this trial. What on earth do you think she would gain by fabricating it, knowing she was going up against a powerful Hollywood actor and knowing it was always going to be her word against his? She could have 'won' with far less extreme allegations, she could have got more money in the divorce, she could have just gone away and stayed quiet.

The idea she created this big hoax, especially one with such deeply humiliating and personal details, is absolutely utterly batshit IMO.

I can see where your coming from, but I'm not sure it would work that way.
Attributing Adam Walderman comments to JD is the main basis of AH counterclaim.
Whereas AH saying she gave the photos to her lawyers and somehow they ended up in People magazine.
So it's different situations. JD team would have a lot of work to do to prove AH gave the photos to her lawyers and gave them instructions to leak them to PM.

However, bit of an update on this whole attributing thing.
The "news" about this has come from Court TV twitter and its something they overheard. We haven't seen the full explanation from the judge. So I may have jumped to massive incorrect conclusions.
Bit ironic, as we have just been discussing how MSM can miss report things and influence our thinking.

So in lawyer speak, I'd like to strike my comments about this until Monday, when we hear from the judge directly. 😂

To believe her stories you have to believe she is a bionic woman. She can walk on glass and have her naked body dragged by the hair across glass with no injury. She can be punched repeatedly with full force in the face with chunky rings and not sustain injury. She can be thrown into walls, slammed against doors all without leaving a mark. She can have her nose broken without swelling. She can be kicked in the back without bruising. She can have her lips split without bleeding or swelling etc.

These things are just not possible for the human body. You have to believe she is some other form of human for everything she has said to happen to her without injury. And yet we have seen with her self harm injuries - that in fact she isn't bionic - that they are wounds and they scar just like everyone else's self injury. And at one point she had a bruise on her arm (from unknown source) - so she does bruise.

I have both stepped on glass and lost my balance putting my hand down on broken glass. Both caused injury and scarring. I know two people whose hands / arm went through a glass window. One has a huge scar and the other lost the end of his finger. I have never met anyone who was able to withstand the sharpness of jagged broken glass from smashed bottles without injury. To believe her stories is to deny medical science.

Thanks @minou123 and also 😂

Another woman has appeared saying he was an angry junkie and wouldn't wish him on her worst enemy.

Lots of fans on this thread. He's not jack sparrow. He continues to abuse her through the legal system vile creep.

This is in no way a Depp fan thread if you read it. No one cares about Jack Sparrow. There are people here who don't believe Ambe and / or don't believe he was sexually and physically abusive to her throughout the relationship. I don't think anyone is denying he deals with addiction and has anger management issues. He himself admitted that in his testimony.

Amber has used the legal system and the press to her advantage for years. He really didn't have another option to put his perspective and evidence into the public sphere to counter her allegations.

Personally I would have zero desire to befriend either one of them.

To believe her stories you have to believe she is a bionic woman. She can walk on glass and have her naked body dragged by the hair across glass with no injury. She can be punched repeatedly with full force in the face with chunky rings and not sustain injury. She can be thrown into walls, slammed against doors all without leaving a mark. She can have her nose broken without swelling. She can be kicked in the back without bruising. She can have her lips split without bleeding or swelling etc.

Absolute crap. Just complete and utter bullshit. You don't know, because she was actively hiding her injuries, to what extent she was injured or in pain. We do know that she was medicated a lot of the time. We do know she had injuries to her face and arms. She also needs surgery for scar tissue in her nose but that information was objected to in the trial. Just like the text messages from Stephen Deuters which are utterly damning. If you can look at the photos and evidence from people like Io Tillet Wright, Raquel Pennington, her makeup artist, her marriage counsellor at the time, and decide it's not enough, it only shows your own ignorance.

The thing is that you have absolutely no idea whether that happened or not. None. And yet you're confidently saying it didn't because you don't like her or you think her injuries would have been worse (even though you don't actually know how badly she was hurt and it's completely normal to repress things and not seek medical attention).

The thing is that you have absolutely no idea whether I like her, so supposition much? Lol!

FWIW I'm confidently calling the sexual assault where she was allegedly raped with a long-necked bottle that may or may not have been the one in the photo depending on her testimony or the cross, after JD allegedly sliced the top of his own finger off, but did not cause sufficient internal injuries to not need medical treatment.

Based on the audio from after the alleged brutal sexual assault where no one, including her physician, mentioned any injuries on AH other than some scratches on her arms. Not the blood gushing out of her vagina, or the scratches all over feet from the broken glass, or bloodied face from repeated punches. And the fact that she told someone JD sliced his own finger off with a bottle but now says it was the invisible second phone in the kitchen.

So my question still stands. Does standing in the witness box and describing a brutal sexual assault that didn't happen count as defamation? Or is the trial purely based on what she wrote and implied in the op-ed and/or the online headline that she knowingly shared that referred to it?

I think Warner Bros tanked her counter claim.

They have stated that "creative differences" was the reason and that Aquaman 2 was a reduced part, had nothing to to with JD or AW. They told her agent this at the time of booking.

I think JD's team are going to hammer away at her counter claim next week, delivering heavy blows.

So my question still stands. Does standing in the witness box and describing a brutal sexual assault that didn't happen count as defamation? Or is the trial purely based on what she wrote and implied in the op-ed and/or the online headline that she knowingly shared that referred to it?

The trial is based on what she wrote, which makes it even more ridiculous that you think she would take the stand and humiliate herself with a fabricated story. She could barely get the words out. Shame on you.

Pretty much all their evidence was Amber told us... or we saw clothes tipped over or we heard.... they didn't see these violent fights and maybe they saw a slight bruise if you believe their testimony (Ambers besties). Pennington lied outright during the divorce deposition because she thought that was what she was supposed to say to defend Amber. Amber's own lawyer had to step in to stop her from perjuring herself further.

Go online and look at pictures of women who have had their faces pounded in by men. It doesn't leave a slight reddish tinge on the skin. Go talk to women who have been violently raped and beaten over and over and learn a little about what domestic violence is really like. Ask women who feared for their lives because of all the close calls who got up the courage to file a TRO how they felt, knowing that leaving and getting a TRO is one of the most dangerous times for a victim in an abusive relationship. Ask how often a woman being beaten and punched in the face and thrown around and raped wanted their abuser to stay with them in the room to talk it out when it was getting violent.