Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

There is a problem within MSM, organisations and even at a society level that for the greater good it’s better for Depp to be seen as the main aggressor and abuser. The progress made with metoo is reliant on good faith in believing women. In the case the damage has been done and this trial cannot answers the questions surrounding the pair.

The fact that she gets her phone out to record stuff makes me feel a certain way about her. It's exactly what my abusive ex would do. He would emotionally, mentally and verbally abuse me until I snapped, and then when I started crying, shouting at him, swearing at him, saying horrible things back at him, he would suddenly have a recording of it.... Which of course wouldn't show what lead up to it, and he would be do gleeful about how he now "has evidence" that I'm "mentally unstable and abusive haha"

They both constantly recorded each other

I have been trying to found a source as to which recordings are Depps and which are Heards. Anyone know a list? Also I read that at one point their therapist told them to record their conversations - so I am not sure which ones were done with both parties knowledge vs which ones were one only one party knowing the recording was happening.

I don't know know I Just wanted to point it out that amber wasn't always spitefully or sneakily deciding to record everything.
They both did it and knew about it etc most,of the time.

There was an audio played in court in which AH is saying something along the lines of 'you can't record me without my permission' but I can't recall exactly which audio recording that was.

I was under the impression that Depp informed heard the arguments were being recorded as there was lots of denial in what was said. Amber is supposedly of recorded Depp without his knowledge. What I don’t understand is how Ambers recordings that were detrimental to her got into public domain

How do you know that? That is my question. We know of at least 3 recordings that Amber did that were secretive. How do you know what they both did and what happened most of the time. I can't find a source - you seem to have it as you seem to know what Amber did and didn't do, can you link me to that source.

I am not 100% sure on this but when Adam Waldman testified, he testified to sharing information with journalists. He might have shared them?

Ambers were sold to TMZ. I am speculating Depp's came through Waldman.

I also thought Raquel Pennington, the makeup artist, Io Tillett Wright and Johnny's old friend who saw a bruise that looked like a handgrip, were allvery believable. They've had nothing but harrassment for supporting Amber and clearly they're no longer friends but they're still there saying what they saw and it's all consistent with abuse by JD. Wright and Pennington were genuinely emotional and seemed pretty traumatised by the whole thing.
The evidence is there. You can dislike her as much as you want (I don't necessarily like her either) but it's right there.

Where is the hand-grip bruise? Is that according to their word or is there evidence?

What makes you think Heards friends are credible/take their word as solid evidence?

It's the one where he's yelling at her.
"Shut the fuck up, listen to me and then you can fucking respond, understand? You ain't nobody's fucking mum, you ain't a schoolteacher, don't fucking pretend to be authoritative with me. You don't exist."

Where is the hand-grip bruise? Is that according to their word or is there evidence?
What makes you think Heards friends are credible/take their word as solid evidence?

Not Heard's friend, Depp’s friend of 30 years. It's worth watching his testimony if you can.

But generally I think people on the payroll denying they ever saw anything are less credible than people testifying to what they did see, despite having nothing to gain but harassment and aggravation. For one thing, not seeing something doesn't simply means you sight witness it. It's also much easier in terms of plausible deniability and not being particularly mentally taxing. Going out on a limb to say you did see something has got to be tough.

It was in the trial a couple of days ago, a recording where she was asking him not to record her without permission, he responded by mocking her for pretending to be authoritative. I think they both did it at times, with and without knowledge and consent of the other, but it started as a mutual thing from therapy.

Then maybe you can empathise with Amber being in that situation. And the fact that JD's dodgy lawyer leaked an edited recording which convinced everyone she was the abuser, despite her saying in that same conversation that she was scared he was going to kill her during their last fight.

@Aspiringmatriarch I know I would lie for a friend sooner than I would lie for an employer. If you rule out one group, then you should rule out the other. Its why it’s a mess. It’s obvious josh deposition would be different if the knew of the body cam.

It feels as though there is a ton of evidence of Depp being abusive. This evidence was ably tested in the U.K. and he was seen to be abusive.
I think she can prove not only that he was abusive but that she believed he was abusive. She also has SLAAP.
That plus Depp’s decision to focus again on Ms Heard whilst not suing the Washington Post means that I feel as though his defamation case is utterly hopeless.
Worst case scenario is around there being a jury. The impact of the excessive and nonsensical Depp positive media offensive on the jury may sway the verdict for Depp but on appeal it will be overturned.

I'm not convinced the UK trial had no bias.

Not all the evidence was tested in the UK trial though, that's the thing.
Judge wouldn't allow the audio recordings for example.

The UK case also wasn't about if JD was an abuser. It was about if The Sun had grounds to believe he was, when they printed the story. The Sun having grounds to believe he was, does not mean he was.

The case has to be with Amber so she is the defendant, the Washington post would make amber a third party like she was in the sun and not upto the same scrutiny. Until there is some clarification into what has happened to her evidence to the point that the photographs have had the date removed. She no longer has tons of evidence. This for me has been the most important part of this case.

AH hasn't submitted the metadata on the selfies of injury. AH hasn't submitted any medical evidence. AH hasn't submitted any police testimony.

She has, however, perjured herself at least twice (over the dogs and the $7m donation).

If there is any evidence she really ought to produce it.

I agree it's a mess, but I still think claiming you didn't see anything is much easier than putting yourself in the firing line. That applies to both 'sides'. And also, Amber's witnesses I mentioned seemed genuine. Raquel Pennington (who clearly wanted to be anywhere else but there) was near tears describing JD's behaviour and the injuries she saw on AH.

I also think it's a mess because memories aren't infallible and people have different perspectives. JD's friend Isaac was also near tears because he just didn't believe JD was capable of something like that. He seemed very genuine too. But that's also consistent with abuse in that it happens behind closed doors.

I'm struggling to explain myself but basically you'd have to think Amber's friends were all absolute sociopaths to dismiss all their statements, even allowing for some things getting mixed up. People don't commonly conspire and lie like that about an actual fact or incident, whereas turning a blind eye or 'not recalling' is quite a different and easier thing.

This is her own expert page 133 onwards
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-def-memo-compel-resp-14th-15th-16th-rfp-exhibits-12-22-2021.pdf

Sorry but that whole spreadsheet is just silly and kind of looks like the work of someone who is not entirely mentally well. JD also lost his appeal, remember? And his team never once objected to the judge.

Yeah, I agree Aspiringmatriarch

It's like 7 degrees of separation. Or 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

I bet I could connect my self to the judge 😁