Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

[StormzyinaTCup]

Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

So the judge has agreed that statements made under Adam waldman will be considered under Johnny Depps name

That really should say “can” be attributed to depp

Agree with this. Sometimes I've felt I'm watching a different trial when I've seen the headlines in the media.

That's interesting Boulshired

One of the hurdles in AH counterclaim was proving Adam Walderman was making those statements on behalf on JD.
The problem for AH team was the attorney/client privilege makes it impossible to prove that.

So the judge ruling the jurors can attribute AD statements to JD is a hurdle AH has jumped successfully.
In a way, that puts her in the same position as DP. Was DP lying and lying maliciously when AW made those statements. And if so, she will also have to prove it caused reputational damage.

Gish, I would not like to be a juror in this trial. Thus is hard.

• DP should read JP.

It's been a long day 😬

Fuck, sorry, it should read JD

Oh sod it, I'm off the bed 😁

😆

This is the crux going forward, if it’s ok to accuse someone of DV them is it ok to call someone a liar. Whilst the uk judge ruled that he could be called a wife beater he has never been convicted. In the same way he could call Amber a husband beater. I wondering if amber has finished her witnesses and this was whether to dismiss and that was Depps argument to dismiss. I thought she had at least one more witness though.

Apparently you can only rest your case in front of the jury so ignore that

I believe JD has multiple issues but from the testimony of AH and the recordings, and as a dv survivor myself, I firmly think that she was usually the aggressor.
I am not a starry eyed JD fan and am a feminist who believes all people should be equal.
Men should be protected from dv too. If he was so violent, why did her sister and her friends not only allow her to stay there but stay themselves, freeloading off JD?

Well this is interesting. Email from Jennifer to Whitney. Testifying for JD next week

twitter.com/gellertdepp/status/1527657323329687554?s=21&t=hSfXZA47C1UTAU0rDHBQTg

I assumed the private eye on the witness list was digging about Johnny, but again assuming that the judge saying Adam’s words can be viewed as Johnny this might be about Adam. I see Adam more dodgy than Dr Kipper. It’s not going to be a hard job picking up dirt. It’s clear why the evidence is about so few incidents compared to the UK. Depps team just want to lay as much doubt that they are staged on Ambers side, even if it’s just one, to ask the question how can you believe any of it is real.I’m expecting a handwriting expert in rebuttal the seeds have been sown.

The issue now is that she has lied and probably attempted to alter evidence (photos, witness testimony) which makes everything she says suspect. I’m beginning to suspect that the reason why the narrative has been further embroidered was to attempt to make a narrative that fit events and stop JD using those events against her.

I find that especially with the alleged kick on the plane. There are texts that talk about a kick and it wasn’t on the original list of accusations. I suspect that once that evidence was found in discovery a story was created to match it and make it difficult for JD to give his version of that incident (that he slept on the floor of the bathroom to get away from her).

I still find it suspicious that these very serious acts of violence were not mentioned in the TRO deposition and what she can up with for that deposition matched the legal limit in Cali for a TRO to be issued. Maybe because she only started looking for evidence after he said he was leaving.

So Warner brothers statement is that with Amber it was the chemistry and nothing to do with Johnny Depp or Adam Waldman. So both actors have manage to annoy Disney and WB although it seems Depp had nothing to lose, as he was already sidelined.

@Legrandsophie I agree

I find that especially with the alleged kick on the plane. There are texts that talk about a kick and it wasn’t on the original list of accusations. I suspect that once that evidence was found in discovery a story was created to match it and make it difficult for JD to give his version of that incident (that he slept on the floor of the bathroom to get away from her).

Really? Because reading this just makes me think there's likely nothing she could say or evidence she could present that would convince you. However you want to spin it that to me is a smoking gun for physical abuse. JD's assistant had no reason to lie in those texts which is why his team initially claimed they were faked or doctored, then moved on to claim it was just placation. Why on earth you think it's relevant that AH didn't mention it for the TRO is beyond me. That was never meant to be a full list.

I am still not 100% clear on who they can and can't call due to all the hearsay issues. I noticed when Camille was doing the cross on Amber she asked about the 2009 assault at the airport but didn't mention the arrest. I wonder if they will call the police officer who witnessed it all. She could provide a first hand account and get to clear her name after Amber / Tasya called her a homophobe as a way to once again not take responsibility and twist the situation. That establishes evidence for prior domestic violence - and lying about it.

Amber was also arrested at 16/17 and lost her license for 4 years at that time. SInce she is a minor the records are sealed.

@Aspiringmatriarch but she hasn’t provided the evidence this time , proving one slam dunk incident would change the narrative. They could have subpoenaed Stephen. She wasn’t even allowed to read her own texts. Something has seriously gone wrong in providing her evidence in discovery.

@StormzyinaTCup
One of the most concerning issues for me is the fact that the reporting has been so skewed. To the extent that I don't think it is purely clickbaiting; I believe that the mainstream media is on the wrong side of history with this one to the point I can only believe it's vindictive. The lack of even-handedness is probably not an active conspiracy, but it suggests a worrying want of journalistic integrity in the mainstream press.

Camille was very careful about this.

She didn't ask Amber about the 2009 arrest.

What Camille did was read a headline from a newspaper article.

The same thing AH team did to JD.
They have not accused them or directly asked them about it . All they've done is read the newspaper headline and ask "Have I read that correctly?"
The only response you can give is "yes"

The aim is to leave an impression in the jury's mind. They are not saying it definitely did happen or getting into whether it's true or not.

This is all about leaving thoughts in the jury's mind and trying to get them to consider it when they deliberate.

Some jurors may accept it as true, others may not.

Both sides have done this. It's a very clever trick. It's playing dirty, but it's clever.

The goal of jounrnalism at this point isn't to tell the news, it is to sell content and grow your business. Headlines and details are provided from the perspective that is most likely to bring in the most readers who will share the most times (often without reading the article). Each source knows their key audience and who is most likely to engage with that content and so the perspective skews to reach that group.

Generally speaking I always thought the goal of journalism was to report the facts and we make our own minds up rather than being told what to think. In this particular case a mainstream newspaper has splashed 'wife beater' across their front pages and called that 'true fact' based on a very one sided witness testimony and this was then subsequently reported as true fact by most other MSM outlets. Rather than come out and admit they may have been wrong with their 'journalism' they are doubling down and misreporting what is actually being said in court. This needs to change.

SM are calling out mainstream 'journalism' and we are now seeing a concerted effort, especially over this past week, to get certain SM accounts shut down.

This is not good.

In my humble opinion, I think all MSM are very angry this trial is being televised.

This trial is huge. If it had not been televised, MSM would have had endless "Exclusives", "Scoops" and op eds (ironically 😁)
They would have made millions from clicks, sales and advertising.

But, because it is televised, a lot less people are clicking or buying. We can see it for ourselves. We don't need them. They are losing money.

The other thing I think is pissing them off, is normally they feel very powerful. What I mean is, the journalist felt powerful because they had the only voice reporting on the issue. Everyone had to listen to them.
But, now, there are thousands of commentators, reporters, lawyers, people having a voice. The public can choose who they want to listen to.
These journalists are being drowned out. We don't have to listen to them anymore.
That must hurt thier ego a little bit.

@Aspiringmatriarch but she hasn’t provided the evidence this time , proving one slam dunk incident would change the narrative. They could have subpoenaed Stephen. She wasn’t even allowed to read her own texts. Something has seriously gone wrong in providing her evidence in discovery.

Maybe, but that evidence still exists. There were obviously some issues with discovery but it's still out there.

Just like with the headbutting incident, JD denied the whole thing to start with and then changed the story and said it was an accident. With the texts from Stephen Deuters, he claimed they were fake and then changed it to say they were placation. There's also a text or email in which JD is angry about Deuters' disloyalty.
The evidence is there.

I also thought Raquel Pennington, the makeup artist, Io Tillett Wright and Johnny's old friend who saw a bruise that looked like a handgrip, were allvery believable. They've had nothing but harrassment for supporting Amber and clearly they're no longer friends but they're still there saying what they saw and it's all consistent with abuse by JD. Wright and Pennington were genuinely emotional and seemed pretty traumatised by the whole thing.

The evidence is there. You can dislike her as much as you want (I don't necessarily like her either) but it's right there.

Pennington already lied during deposition to defend Amber so she has zero credibility.

The make-up artists and IO were two of Amber's closest friends and benefited greatly from their friendship wiht her due to access to Johnny's money. She told them all kinds of lies. Look up Amanda de Cadenet. She was also in that inside group and then when the recordings came out she realized that who Amber is not at all how Amber presented herself and the recordings do not match with what Amber had told them happened. She felt used by Amber for her links to the MeToo and TimesUp movements. Amber spun a narrative that made her friends think one thing - that wasn't truth or reality. They aren't sticking by her now and still saying what they saw - her team used old deposition tapes as their evidence.