Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Plus the photos, whatever the jury makes of them. I think it will have to come down to those as the witness testimonies aren't credible. The jury will have to decide if the photos are evidence of what AH is claiming happened.

I think the freeloading is really unpleasant. It's not a good look to be living rent free and taking drugs all the time at the expense of your host. I mean Rocky and her husband between them couldn't find a rental?

I watched the cross of the social media expert again and I have to say I admired how Amber kept it together. Three times he said Amber . I didn’t notice at the time that there was laughter. I would be furious with my lawyers, the expert witness cannot lie so the importance of making sure that the scope and questions you initially ask when appointing have to be water tight to ensure it can’t be used against you. She paid for that. That’s two expert witnesses that cross have managed a mic drop moment with the psychologist saying Depp had acts of violence and verbal abuse against him.

They did say they were asked to live there and josh said he offered to pay rent.

That’s really the problem, isn’t it. Either they are freeloader who took part in a willing conspiracy against Depp in revenge for ending their free ride. Or they are freeloaders who listened to their friend be beaten and abuse but did nothing for years because it would end their free ride.

Neither makes them look good and they know it.

I put stars after ambers name instead of the word as didn’t want to add to footfall. It didn’t like it for some reason.

It was Amber asking them to live in Depps apartments though. It just feels grubby. And if Josh could afford the appropriate rent he should have paid and not had master keys throughout. It just seems another lifestyle away.

It just adds to the idea that he was being used by them. This along with the article by his friends stating that Johnny became a distant during his relationship with Amber gives a sense that she was the one cutting him off from his friends and family, not the other way around.

Didn't she also move a friend of her's into one of the apartments (rent free) unbeknown to him and he bumped into her and said something along the lines of 'who the are you?'.
I have heard of some 'out of the norm' living arrangements before but this whole set up is bizarre.

I don't honestly think he had much say in the matter.

Amber's witnesses are not damning for JD.
On the surface they seem credible but jury will quickly find problems with their accounts.

Amber told the acting coach that Johnny cut off his finger by waving a broken bottle around. She's since changed the story to cutting off his finger by smashing up a phone on the wall (a phone not evidenced in any photos of the bar area).

Whitney contradicted Amber's account of the stair incident.

Josh Drew and Liz Mars directly contradict police accounts and actual police bodycam footage.

Rocky Pennington said she never witnessed any physical fights, contradicting Amber's story that Rocky threw herself in front of Amber to block Johnny's blows .

The makeup artist looked at a photo of Heard that the jury sees shows no swelling whatsoever, and she said there was swelling. She also made the same slip up as Amber did on the stand - saying "Bruise Kit" instead of corrector kit.

Yes Rocky moved in her friend Liz Marks without him knowing.

I can't reconcile JD writing in blood, trashing her clothing etc with never having been violent to her. That level of aggression and drug use not escalating to the person you're furious at doesn't feel right in my experience.
But something about the leeching friends (maybe this is what happens at that level of hedonism and money?) and the lack of clear photos bothers me.
I also would not put much on whether people would testify in person - having seen the shit show of abuse AH gets I can imagine being very reluctant to attract it for myself. Depps witnesses were all clearly on the payroll so it boils down to he said she said and photos / texts for me.

There are many people who are destructive towards property and who do destructive things without ever perpetrating violent assaults and rapes of others. I think you would find that there are even people on here who have destroyed property and thrown things and maybe even punched a wall...without taking it out their aggression directly on their spouse or children. Those two things are correlated but not causative. Most people who assault others likely have taken out their anger on property but not everyone who takes out their anger on property will progress to assaulting / raping people.

Has AH said who wrote on the mirror? JD only, her, or both?

If I was in the jury and this was a criminal case there is no way I would vote to convict Depp. I can see Depp easily capable of DV even if he’s never been before. But I can’t believe Amber because it’s clear that what she says doesn’t match what I see. The beating she describes and then the photo, it doesn’t make sense. For me she has lost her truth by covering them with lies (or exaggeration). I can see the two photos are identical, so one is photoshopped, not sure what her lawyers were thinking. The split lip being leaked and then reported it was the previous year, followed by a quick clarification she had her dates wrong. Luckily for her the jury shouldn’t know that. The sexual assault doesn’t match the audio that she recorded of the night of lost finger. Is it a decorative wall phone or is it a bottle that Depp lost his finger.

Did anyone hear the audio of the fight between the two of them where he was asking her calmly to please take her medicine etc. She was quite hysterical not wanting him to leave, then at the end he calmly called one of his guys (security/doctor 🤷🏻‍♀️) to take her.
Her voice at the end was strange when she said ‘Yes, *guys name I’d like to go now’ she sounded so sort of vulnerable, there’s a lot of mental illness there I think. It’s all so strange.
It’s unfortunate they couldn’t include the audio online of the night of the cutting of the finger, the things his former security says are really interesting about Amber knowing what she’s doing and to just get her out and away on a plane somewhere
Such an interesting insight into how some celebrities live, it’s messed up!

There some amateur hand writing experts on Reddit who have compelling evidence that Amber wrote at least part of what’s on the mirror in Australia. The journal that is in evidence has ample samples of both their handwriting and it very much looks like hers.

I think she’s a deeply damaged person who because of severe childhood trauma doesn’t understand how to cope with her emotions and has ended up deeply into drugs and alcohol. It is so so bizarre that she is pretending that she didn’t take drugs when she was with Depp which even her own witnesses admit that she did and her sister admits to being high or drunk all the time.

She said that Johnny wrote it all. The red writing clearly looks like lipstick and it's different writing.

Jennifer Howell is reported to be testifying, which I couldn’t understand as it is all hearsay but according to the “experts of Twitter” it’s a hearsay exemption as it’s a rebuttal to impeach prior testimony. Doesn’t seem quite right. It’s obvious Depps team are coming in hard for rebuttal with the amount of hours they’re saved. Jennifer Howell has also received death threats, harassment and her house broken into

The rules or hearsay are very confusing.

I also have gleaned they can start to use hearsay in rebuttal witnesses. But rebuttal witness can only be use to refute/challange existing witnesses or evidence.
They cannot introduce brand new evidence. But if a previous witness has said something, they can bring a rebuttal witness to challange that testimony.

I think. Its still very confusing.

For me what is interesting is the time left. JD has 18 hours left, AH has 8. So it could happen where AH runs out of time and JD can bring witness after witness saying anything without AH being able to cross examine.

I find this really hard. I desperately want to believe AH because of the damage this is doing to domestic abuse victims but I can't.

My life was made miserable by my abuser for 5 years. So much of what AH has done is at odds with what I did.

When I knew I needed to leave and was scared for my kids I took some photos. The photos were never off the trashing off the house but my bruises and cuts. I didn't really care about the house damage, it was the injuries.

I wouldn't have had the opportunity to grab my phone to record him during an attack. It would have been more than my life was worse.

I would have been far too scared to hassle my ex when he finally took himself off to another room. I was petrified of him, I kept my head low and out of sight.

I would never have asked anything of him like my friends coming to stay because his reaction would have been scary.

I can understand fighting back, there was one incident with my ex where he had my pinned by my throat to the bed and I couldn't breath and i felt around on the bedside table and grabbed a glass which I smashed over his head. I didn't fight back by following him around or antagonising him, I wasn't that stupid.

Like I said, I desperately want to believe AH but I just can't. None of it makes sense. You would photo the injuries. You would get significant ones seen even if you lied to the medic about cause.

I think he was a shitty drunk of a husband who was a bit of an arsehole and she has embellished. If she had stuck to the facts that would have been enough but so much is fabricated (IMO) even the facts are now completely diminished.

I'm sad for domestic abuse victims 😢

I agree with you here. I'm about to admit something I am not proud of and it was very wrong of me.

Late husband once came home drunk from a squaddies night out, woke up newborn baby DS with the volume of noise in his fumbling, stumbling mess that he was. He also brought in 2 other lads of the company he was part of and they all wanted to continue the "party" in my house. I said no, the baby is crying I need to settle him, leave, they all laughed, told me to lighten up, then they light up some cigars, in my house and I lost it.

I picked up a glass vase, filled with water and flowers (that I had been given as a congratulations for the birth of DS, so that's how little he was) and I launched that glass vase deliberately next to DH. It hit the wall, smashed into a thousand pieces literally like 1foot away from him, and I yelled "everyone fucking out now, listen to me, fucking get out" including DH.

They all 3 burly paratroopers ran out of the house.

I went up to comfort DS and get in to bed. He returned home early hours, cleaned up the glass and apologised for his behaviour, but I also profusely apologised for nearly hitting him with a glass vase.

I have never hit anyone or assaulted anyone. I have definitely never sexually assaulted anyone.

I'm not proud of what I did, it was wrong and I admitted that to DH and said "I lost it, I'm so sorry I shouldn't throw things" we moved on, nothing of the sort ever happened again. 😳

DH was genuinely a gentle giant, he never even shouted at me during our entire relationship. I felt awful for the whole incident.

@Workwork21 sorry that you had that happen to you

Amber hasn’t even closed yet so no idea how many more hours she will have left when she finished. I think Amber team knew their counterclaim was going to be difficult so spent most of their hours trying to discredit Depp and his witnesses. So both lose but hoping Depp has costs for bringing the case in the first place.