Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Just interested in your thoughts about televising the trial.

On one hand, I dont like it. I'm extremely hypocritical because I am watching everyday, but there is a seedy entertainment element to a very serious trial.

But on the other hand, there is a huge benefit.
Normally, especially in the UK, we have to rely on journalists tweets/articles and press releases from the lawyers.
I believe they try to be objective, but we only can read what they publish. We don't hear everything that happens.
So, rightly or wrongly we base our opinion on someone else's view/reports.

I think this is why there is sometimes an outcry when we've been reading the evidence says X, but the jury come back and say Y. We don't understand.

Whereas in this trial we are hearing/seeing everything the jury are. We don't need to rely on reporting from anybody.

My interest in this trial and the uk was never about them but the impact that comes from such trials. I am extremely worried about what happens next. In ambers case and what she has provided so far she would not make the bar for a prosecutor to proceed with a criminal case (as for many victims) for sexual assault, so what is left for a victim of sexual assault (in general). Is someones truth not their own if for speaking out they can be sued for defamation. This can even be seen with Ambers new PR manager David Shane. Any case that knowingly include sexual assault and domestic violence shouldn’t be shown live on tv. I also think if you have been subpoenaed against your will then you should be allowed privacy and protection.

Watching the bits from AHs witnesses. This is pretty damning for JD. Especially the makeup artist. I don't see why they would lie. I am dubious about her best friends josh, IO and Rocky and Witney but I can't see a motivation for her acting coach, make up artist and random person from the penthouses would lie.

That's interesting. She has difficulty crying when he is acting. Wow- that maybe sums up her on the stand with this crying that doesn't look like crying. Quoted my her acting coach.

I think these people and the text messages and audios are much more reliable than JDs witnesses many of which are paid for him. The security guards would be betraying him if they spoke out.

Yes loose-loose for her. The public opinion is so strong against her even if JD wins.

The make up artist was one of her very close friends who hung out with her and Rocky and Whitney, she was part of the in crowd. I don't think the acting coach was a personal friend but I also don't think anything in her testimony was very damaging.

The random penthouse employees said they didn't see any bruises despite multiple close up interactions with her on days immediately after these alleged attacks so I don't think their evidence is damning either.

the make up artist tried her best not to have to testify for the uk case if I remember correctly stating death threats.

So we are to believe that these people are lying under testimony for her with no motivation except they are her friends? JDs witnesses have much more reason to lie.

Perhaps not of seeing specific bruises- although the make up artist and the acting coach said they did. but it gives a damning overall impression of him. As controlling, intimidating, violent with things around him, drunk and on drugs and at a minimum verbally abusive. Moody. Referring to himself as the monster.

Although they didn't see the incidents it gives an overall impression of him. It makes is extremely likely that this could mean he was likely to be violent with her. It also gives an impression of her at the time, her mood, mental health and stress rate at the time. Which again makes it not so much of a stretch that at-least some of these things happened.

I think she didn't do herself any favours meeting up with all her witnesses just before they gave this testimony.

From my understanding of the UK judge, this is why he ruled 12/14 incidents are likely to have happened. On the chances of probability. It does connection that it's likely one goes with the other- although obviously not always.

It's extremely damning of his overall behaviour and attitude. That it's likely he has these episodes where it makes it more likely he was physically abusive to AH.

I bet. How sad. She's also not friends with Ah which reading between the lines seemed to be because of this whole circus as she described it.

The make up artist clearly stated she was no longer Ambers friend. Nobody seems to be. Maybe that is the angle they are going for "all best friends living together, now no longer friends" ie not on the pay roll?

Makes me question why she has lost so many friends though. It could possibly point to the "unstable relationships" symptom of Dr Curry's diagnosis.

Absolutely, another one to add to the long list of "I am no longer friends with AH"

I agree with you, but that is what her defense is going to be. JD paid everyone, I couldn[t possibly have...

She does not have a loyal friend. JD has many, spanning decades and that sort of loyalty is not bought.

I get the impression this is because of these events though. The strain and stress of being involved in the case. Probably worried about their own jobs in the entertainment business if they did.death threats and the stress of hearing about it all from AH. You can see why.

It seems like JD lost friends too. His band mate, IO.

JD is 30 years older. Maybe when she's his age she will have friends spanning 30 years too. I get the impression it was very hard to be friends with her over this whole thing. Being associated with her was probably very stressful, it probably had lots of extra scary baggage. Going against someone powerful like JD and his stretch of influence. The stress of possibly being contacted constantly by lawyers. Even the random guy behind the desk where they lived said he was stressed by it all, had had enough. Wanted it over with. He wasn't even playing a significant part in the case. Imagine if you were a key witness. I don't think you could blame them. It doesn't have to all be her fault.

Yes, I agree with that too. In the case of his band mate, especially. It was because of the court case I believe. (Original court case)

Far, far fewer than AH though.

The make up artist stated I believe that the friendship had just ended just before the deposition. I don't know when she wrote / signed her declaration of fact but if that was before she stopped being friends then she would need to testify to what she had declared.

Also we know in the divorce that Amber's lawyers wrote the declarations of facts for Amber's witnesses and they just signed them. I don't know if the same is true for these witnesses.

In Melanie's declaration of fact she stated that the hair stylist there that day to do Amber's hair for the Corden show was Adir Abergel and that the two of them talked about Amber's injuries and the missing chuck of hair. I wonder if they will call him to testify. That isn't a name I have heard before in this trial.

The thing is, she was not isolated by JD, the exact opposite. They left when he did, it seems to me.

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Johnny is 58 not 68! Twenty years older.

Rocky and Amber got into a physical fight and that ended their friendship.

iO was Amber's friend - only got to know Johnny through Amber.

Amanda de Cadenet stopped being friends with Amber after the recordings came out and she realized that the relationship was not at all as Amber had described it. She said she had felt used by Amber for her connections to the MeToo and TimesUp movements

Yes, I think JD clearly wins on the friendship front, no matter his age.

Nobody witnessed JD hurt AH, not even the "friends" she had at the time.

Lots have been hurt by AH though.

I don't remember saying he wasn't. I said he's a lot older. He is. We don't know what friendships she has got. Maybe when she's his age she wi have had friends spanning decades.

I don't think it says much. We don't know the ins and outs of why she or he lost his friends. Of the people who were privy to it all they both seem to have lost friends. Maybe more of her friends were privy to it as they lived in the apartments. Perhaps less of his friends were privy to it so he retained them. Who knows?

I expect it was much harder to be her friend during this whole thing than his.

"JD is 30 years older. Maybe when she's his age she will have friends spanning 30 years too."

You just said this, a few posts up!

No but many say they saw the bruises. Including his friend. He has much more influence to shut people up against any previous violence he might have previously had. Plus we do know he has got previous form for violence and has smashed up hotel rooms and been accused of violence by other people. So what a load of nonsense.

If you rule out Depps witnesses because they’re on the payroll then I would rule Ambers because they were also indirectly on his payroll by happily free loading. Josh testimony didn’t line up with the body cam. Whitney’s texts didn’t match her testimony. So we’re left with neutral testimony and the audio as well as Ambers and Depps credibility.