Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

Yes, I am a bit slow today. I realised after I typed it. I would never have got the financial thing... good work!

This witness is laughable. I am actually laughing.

Actually, the few long friendships that broke down were all since meeting AH.

Johnny has managed a successful career and addiction since 1986. He clearly was able to manage it in a way that there was never any major reported issues in a relationship (based on what his exes have said) or in his career (as it continued to progress) or legal repercussions.

It seems it was only when the dynamic with Amber developed that he could no longer manage it. I think the dynamic was so representative of his relationship with his mother and Amber a copy of his mother that he struggled in ways he hadn't before. Interestingly his mother died on May 20th, 2016 and his marriage with Amber effectively ended the next day, May 21st, 2016.

@Midlifemusings Ah ha!😯

I know they are fishing and trying to open doors for dialogue with Adam but the jury must be wondering why?

Surely Elaine should know he can't answer these questions?

@QuotetheLaw

Elaine is a lawyer, she knows about client-lawyer privileges.

However Amber's counter suit is based on this lawyer and his words - that she made up an abuse hoax and her story was fake. She is suing Johnny based on words in an article that were a quote attributed to Johnny's lawyer (this guy). Her suit isn't based on anything Johnny said or did, it is what his representative said.

Her counter suit rests on needing this in evidence and being able to say it was defamation.

I think the Adam Walderman deposition is all to do with Amber Heards counterclaim.

Amber Heards counter claim is Johnny Depp, through his spokesperson Adam Walderman, defamed her.

I think this deposition is to prove Adam Walderman was working and saying things on Johnny Depps behalf. And maybe it was them who spread false info on Amber Heard.

I think. I'm not sure though.

I think Amber Heard lawyer is doing well, as just by asking the questions she is planting the info in the jury's mind. But the flip side is the jury might get annoyed as he cannot answer the questions and it looks like she doesn't know what she's doing.

extreme/controversial and Have you been trained as a psychologist/psychiatrist?

I have BPD. I do accept it as a diagnosis.

However there are psychiatrists and psychologists who do agree with the PP regarding BPD being misogynistic and a problematic diagnosis for women who are usually suffering from C-PTSD.

It seems it was only when the dynamic with Amber developed that he could no longer manage it. I think the dynamic was so representative of his relationship with his mother and Amber a copy of his mother that he struggled in ways he hadn't before. Interestingly his mother died on May 20th, 2016 and his marriage with Amber effectively ended the next day, May 21st, 2016.

This!!! This!!!

And his mother was an abuser

Am I missing something, shouldn’t ambers counter claim be with Adam if his words are the crux of the matter and he can’t disclose if he did so on Johnny request.

Well I know it wouldn’t be a counter claim, but you know what I mean

No, because he was identified as Johnny's spokesperson / lawyer / representative (not sure of the exact term used in the online article) when being quoted.

Thanks

I know I'm posting like I know what I'm talking about, but just to be clear I have no legal background. 😁

I suppose she should, but that would involve another separate civil suit. So more expense and going through this all over again.
So, I think they have got round this by countersuing Johnny Depp, by saying AW was speaking on his behalf. I believe this is why there is a lot of questions asking "Did JD ask you to say this?", "Did you speak to the press on behalf of JD?" Etc.
This is to prove AW was speaking on behalf of JD.

Not sure blaming 4 police officers of incompetence is a good way to sway a jury.

Not reported in the papers and not happening are two different things.

Both Winona and Jennifer Grey commented on the crazy drug behaviour, smashing things up. May have been a factor in their splits for all we know.

Kate Moss and he did industrial quantities of drugs together.

It may simply be that eventually his drug behaviour spiralled out of control. Although - to be fair according to early gf it was uncontrolled early on too.

VP seems quite a quiet personality whereas AH is more volatile.

I don't see how 'smashes stuff up sometimes' automatically equates to 'is an abuser'.

I've known many people who smash stuff up, some people go away to smash stuff up, some people turn away to throw things, and some people intentionally smash stuff up and throw things 'nearly' at you, as a form of abuse/control/intimidation.

I've really not heard anything that suggests that Depp was the latter type - in fact much of AH's evidence seems to show the former, that he would take himself away to try and cope however he could, which may have included breaking stuff.

He definitely struggled with addiction and he has spoken about how this affected him and how he acted. That isn't new - my point was that didn't derail him. He moved past it and continued to have a bigger and bigger career, long term relationship with someone who still speaks very positively with him, good relationships with his kids, many loyal staff and friends, no significant legal repercussions.

This is an interview clip with Jennifer Grey from 2 weeks ago when she talks about her relationship with him. (This topic starts at about 1:10 I think)/

I don't see how 'smashes stuff up sometimes' automatically equates to 'is an abuser'

Where has it been said that it does?

Wow referencing Johnny Depp in that interview sounds really innapropriate given she is talking about potential abuser(no matter what your opinion is, fact is that he is on trial related to it and she's talking like it doesn't exist). Still doesn't nullify she wrote about his posessiveness etc

That isn't new - my point was that didn't derail him.

Depends what that means. I’d say his life has been quite derailed by drugs from the death of River Phoenix onwards. He’s managed to stay alive which not everyone does. He’s hung out with people who haven’t squealed on his major drug use.

His thing has been non-mainstream stuff with directors like Tim Burton who gets his weirdness aka drug use. In the long run that led to more mainstream success.

She is talking about her own experience with someone in the current spotlight. And Johnny is a victim of domestic violence - that we know for sure and she can certainly talk about him if she wishes. Or do you get mad if anyone speaks out positively about a victim of domestic violence?

You flounced off to your ...anyone who doesn't wholeheated support Amber as a victim and Johnny as a wife beater is a mysoginist thread.... you started, wanting to only read posts that confirm your own biases and only listen to others who share your perspective. Why are you back?

You are certainly welcome back - although your closemindedness is only going to get you frustrated again.

@Midlifemusings oh the irony. Sorry for frustrating you, I can post where I want. Just as Depps fan hang out on the thread where they clearly do not come from feminist perspective. Try practicing not sounding like a bully, it's kinda sad

In what ways do you feel his life derailed? What aspects of his life were derailed?

He has been an addict since he was 11. I am sure River's death was traumatic and devastating and impacted him but I am not sure I really see how his life derailed in the 30 years since.

He has done a lot more than stay alive. He has continued to work and function and build relationships and more. Additionally, there haven't been any further reports or claims or major issues since his marriage ended. He was in a 3 year relationship and he continued to work on smaller projects while under the black cloud of accusations of sexual offender / wife beater.

I really don't see evidence of derailing.