Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

[StormzyinaTCup]

Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

can anyone explain what the difference is this time between the case he brought against the sun and this one, in terms of the evidence? Has something changed? That’s the part I’m confused by - I think they used amber’s evidence in the case with the sun and he lost?

Coming next for Amber (according to cout tv) it looks like she has some good witnesses as they were not living rent free so less accusations of bias. Some of Depps previous friends/associates and Adam Waldman - that could be feisty

No. There is more to go.

▪︎ Amber Heard has more witnesses. (Maybe 8 more?)
▪︎Then Johnny Depp has the "rebuttal ", so bringing witnesses to testify further and Amber Heard can cross examine these witnesses.
▪︎Finally, they have closing statements.

I think the plan is to send the Jury for deliberation on Friday 27th (so next friday)

There are different rules in different courts. Amber was a third party in the uk court. There was a forensic expert for the Sun who provided a report. He is a different expert to Ambers but I believe they work for the company. Depps team had to get a court order to obtain the data and devices.

I believe that JD's legal team, and credit where credit is due have done a far better job at instigating doubt in her testimony that lead's people to believe that what she wrote in the op-ed was either untrue or very exaggerated and that this in turn has defamed him.

With the sun one I think they only had to prove one instance of abuse to allow the sun to call him a wife beater, and as JD admitted to headbutting her it was over. The UK court didn't really examine all evidence like they have in the US.

I don't think many people now really believe The Sun, and he's by default with public opinion overturned that headline.

I don't believe he was a wife-beater. I believe there was mutual abuse but he isn't what The Sun was trying to make him out to be. But then again The Sun could print the sky is blue and I still wouldn't believe it 😂 so my bias is showing there.

AHs acting coach (Christina Sexton) deposition has really muddied the waters with the Johnny losing his finger story. She can't wriggle out of it as CS depo was recorded 3 years ago.
Which do you think the jury will believe, AHs the disappearing phone circa 2022
(Actually might be 2020 as I think that was the excuse she gave in NGN vs Depp).
JD breaking a bottle, swinging it around and accidentally cutting it off. (2019 version
Or JDs account (the truth)

How people don't see her for what she is after all of this I'll never know.

And the UK judge refused to accept the audio recordings as evidence because she was not "sworn under oath" when having the conversations. As if her testimony in court is more authentic than the recordings. I mean, whaaaaaat?!

Yes, seems like a good day for Heard with credible looking witnesses backing her up - but when you have credible looking witnesses contradicting her testimony.....yeeeesh.

And what's with josh drew contradicting police body cam footage?

Looking forward to rebuttal.

Did anyone else notice that the makeup artist also kind of damaged her own credibility by looking at the photo of Heard on James Corden show and saying she could still see swollen lip...I mean, all of Heards witnesses seem to have eyes in the same parallel reality enabling them to see injuries that we and the jury cannot....

Thank you for that! @Boulshired @ObjectionHearsay

it really is the anatomy of toxic relationship

*of a toxic relationship

You understand that it's completely possible to dislike a person but love another, right? The messages were vile, no doubt, but I probably said some unsavory things about the woman who abused me to family and friends too. Not on that level, but it's not hard to see how a person can be full of hate and resentment when things are still raw. To try and make out he doesn't care for his daughter because he hates the woman who abused him is quite a stretch, and frankly embarrassing.

Wow. Just wow! F**k the experts and many, many years of research and study on BPD and mental health in general then, eh? Christ almighty. I've dated two women with BPD. One was an abuser. The other was pretty lovely and went out of her way to get her issues properly diagnosed so that she could learn how to live with them and work around them.

BPD isn't a blanket term thrown at a "difficult" person to excuse their behaviour, nor is it something to hide behind. It's a valid disorder and affects different people different ways. For you to just disregard science because you don't like it... well I have no words.

What is clear in both trials in that committing perjury is set at such a high bar it’s not a deterrent at all. The idea that witnesses will tell the truth is sadly not the case. It’s seems to be the case of believing the one that lying the least.

What has been made clear, to me anyway, is this whole arrangement is so dysfunctional that I'm not surprised it's exploded. Having your wife's friends/family living right next door (rent free) and being so involved in your relationship must of felt suffocating at times for JD, especially when things weren't going well. Whatever way the abuse went, her friends appear to have turned a blind eye to it for their own benefit until the point when JD asked for a divorce and the doors to the 'Bank of Johnny Depp' looked like they might close. Assuming you believe the friends, it was only at this point did they feel duty bound to act in their friends best interest and speak out and take photos showing how badly she had been treated. They just look like a bunch of leeches.

Its interesting that some of her friends are now distancing themselves from this trial, meanwhile AH is happy to commit perjury, disparage his children by calling them 'weirdos, insinuate that any witness JD calls is lying under oath and she obviously doesn't have any qualms about throwing anyone and everyone under the bus who doesn't fall in line with her version of events.

She had some much better witnesses yesterday but I still come away with more questions than answers.

Yes Stormzy, what marriage has a hope of surviving that set up?

Also, none of the friends seem to speak to Amber any more. They are simply "not enemies" but not friends and have reportedly moved on. She has decked a few too.

Compared to JDs loyal long standing friends/collegues, I see a huge disparity.

Trying to figure out the point of Bruce Watkins testimony.

I think it was to suggest that JD is surrounded by 'yes' men so it could be interpreted as his witnesses on payroll are unlikely to say anything that goes against their 'employer'.' That's how understood it but I could be wrong.

I honestly thinking having this many witnesses via video recorded deposition is really not great.

I do think he maybe right about Dr Kipper - he was a suss.

They don't have much choice. No one wants to testify, they can't compel them to testify in Virginia if they live out of state and they have to try and make a case.

Look at the group of posters on here whose brains find too much cognitive dissonance in a man being a victim and a woman an abuser. They twist everything to find a way to make Amber the victim. They ignore all the evidence against her because it just doesn't fit their worldview. Heard's lawyers know that there are people out there who will never find a woman to be an abuser / man a victim and they only need these testimonies to work on one juror.

I think the reason Amber's stories have a believable undertone is because they are mostly likely stories that did happen - just not to her. Some she flips around and tells as though she did things that Johnny actually did and says Johnny did things that she actually did(she flips their roles in her stories), some are probably things she has heard from friends or seen in movies or books or online, some are things that maybe happened in her family home growing up. She slips up a couple times when saying what Johnny did and how she responded, using me instead of you. Since they aren't her personal experience she is just describing details of others people's stories and so rather having emotions that would normally stem from personal experience, she has to create a false emotion and it is clearly not believable. She likely has been telling lies throughout her life - maybe initially for self protection and then it just became a way of life. When you lie enough, it stops feeling like lies and just feels like a natural way of telling stories.

@Midlifemusings excellent point. I think you are right.

I wish they[d shut up about alcohol and drug abuse. We all know this and nobody is denying this. They are doing their level best to make it look like JD does not have loyal, long term friends.

Except he does! The ones he has fallen out with, were decades long friends, not a year or two.

The alcohol and drugs is to prove he killed his own career.
The problem I have with the financial statements is that they are related to drugs, you can clean yourself up and get knew jobs. So now a clean Depp is a different person than the 2016 Depp. So why it might have cost him short term there a path back like Robert Downey jr. Since metoo DV & SA is a different beast and I think Johnny witnesses did better at that.

When waldman is going to be a damp squid