Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

minou. Yes. To me they are using testimonies from when Depp was completely up against it and Heard was riding high on the me too movement.

NONE of them saw anything themselves.

I would want them to testify again now, live, under cross examination. Like AH was as apposed to her previous testimony and the difference between the two.

I'm sure the jury aren't falling for this either

Me neither.

They're not testifying now because they don't want to perjure themselves.

JD witnesses are far, far more credible than hers imo

The ending was unfortunate for amber, the last part of testimony contradicts Amber and it the last thing the jury heard. This has been interesting but celebrity cases should never been shown on TV again, especially regarding rape.

I nodded off, what did it say? (If you have time)

Amber told her that Johnny cut his finger on a broken bottle instead of the smashed up phone.

@BornBlonde

After the final May 21st fight in the ECB, Amber and Rocky both signed declarations as to the facts of that night. I am paraphrasing here - will see if I can find the video. When initially asked about the declaration during the deposition, Rocky said she had sat down and just written it herself. She said she hadn't spoken to any lawyers - just wrote down from her own recollection what happened and then she emailed it to Amber's lawyers. Then under cross she said well maybe she had had some input from the lawyers - that they had given her a general template to guide her onhow to write one but every word in it was her own. Then under further cross she remembered she had actually been in the lawyer's office when she wrote it using the template and hadn't emailed it as the lawyer's were present so she had just handed it to them after writing it. The lawyer doing the cross kept pushing to get her to admit that she had nothing to do with the writing of the declaration and that the lawyers had written it for her and all she had done was go to their office to read it and sign it. She tried to deny this but was clearly perjuring herself in her effort to defend Amber and so her lawyer jumped in and said that she (the lawyer) had written the declaration and could we please move on.

I am confused on how recorded deposition can contain so much hearsay.

Yes this stood out to me too. Ambers story is that Johnny cut his finger off when smashing up the phone but she must have told other people at the time that he sliced it on a bottle.

I don't understand the different rules for depositions compared to trial. They ask leading questions too.

Oh, thankyou. Yes, I did hear that bit. I think I was getting very bored by then...

Thanks.

It was the hairstylist Samantha McMillan who said there was no injuries.

From what I understand, and I'm in no way from a legal background, they don't have to object to hearsay/leading etc.

Especially if it helps their case.

For example, when Amber Heard talked about Kate Moss, JD team potentially could have objected for reasons of hearsay.
However, they didn't because it helps thier case as it now allows them to call Kate Moss if they want to.

For depositions, it's all objected to and edited out with the benefit of hindsight. So both teams can strategically not object to hearsay/leading questions.
For example, if JD objects to a question and it is sustained and edited out, this could then impact a question they later ask, and a key piece if thier question is edited out.

During live testimony, they object to all because its harder to tell if it will or won't help them.

I hope this is correct 😬

@minou123 thank you that makes sense about the editing out

It's ridiculous. They have no problem freeloading off him. That's the issue, his moneys stopped. I mean AH sister is hardly credible, there's a video of her with bruises and a friend asking if AH did it. She doesn't say no. Hardly shows her sister in a non violent light.

@AdriftAbroad1 she also let slip she was the one who told tmz about her filing for divorce and that's why there was so many paparazzi outside

So the sum up:

• All her witnesses lived off Johnny until the split.
• Whitney openly told friends that she was terrified of Amber and that during the stairs incident Amber had attacked her.
• iO fell out with Johnny after falsely outing Lily- Rose as bi on Instagram without her knowledge. Seemed to be using Depp for money and to boost his own career.
• Raquel’s testimony is directly contradicting Amber’s.
• Several of Amber’s witnesses have changed their story.
• At least some of the photos are heavily doctored to give the look of severe injury.
• Other photos do not show what Amber says they should and when compared to paparazzi photos from the same or next day are inconsistent.
• Amber slipped up and admitted in her TRO deposition that she had tipped off TMZ so there would be paparazzi outside the courthouse.
• This came after Depp had refused her a bigger divorce settlement.
• She has perjured herself over the charity donations and has kept $5.9 million of the settlement.
• None of the witnesses who lived in the same penthouse complex ever saw him hit her (except Whitney who told a different story at the time).
• She openly admits hitting him in the tapes and that she ‘just gets so mad sometimes’
• Her staff at the time have testified that she was verbally abusive to them and would get physical with people.
• Raquel admits that Amber hit her.
• She has been caught asking Depp’s staff members to perjure themselves in Australia.

All together this is a shocking catalogue of behaviour. As for not being the ‘perfect victim’ there seem to be a lot of people who were victims of Amber’s temper- it is telling that they all are no longer her friends and appear frightened of her. I have no problem seeing her as a controlling psychopath who has a hair trigger temper and is highly controlling.

Yes I agree. I think he was abusive but not to the extent she is saying. The bruises just don't add up. She's said she has other pictures which her lawyers haven't shown. I very much doubt that. Surely her lawyers would show absolutely everything.

I think lots of those damage pictures look staged. She didn't always take pictures of herself but did of the apartment. Really?

So if you can accept that she has lied about some of the abuse- which I think has been fairly clearly proven- could you accept that she was the abuser? The amount of untruth is becoming staggering. Is it possible that the original three incidents, which formed the application for the TRO were incidents where as Depp himself admits were accidental when he was trying to protect himself from her as she perused him around the house trying to attack him? She admits on the uncut tapes that she thinks he’s baby for running away from her and would chase him down to continue to fight. That in itself is abusive.

As the trial is coming to an end the damage this has done is even worse than I could imagine and if Depp wins, which I originally thought was an impossibility then I’m not sure what’s next. Ambers friends have both helped and hindered her case.I still have a feeling this still may comedown to the digital forensic experts, If Depps team can convince the jury of tampering of evidence then it’s maybe game over. It’s more what happens next in the wider context.

He still has his rebuttal witnesses to come, doesn’t he? Including Whitney’s old boss and a digital forensics person. If they can prove that Whitney perjured herself then all the witness testimony from the friends will be undermined.

I would suspect that they are saving the slam dunk stuff right for the very end.

When Amber was on the stand she spoke about mountains of evidence and how she would like to show photographs but is not allowed. Some people took it as her insulting her lawyers but personally I think it was her forensic experts team. If they have no comeback for Bryan Neumeister claims that he laid out in the sanction motion then it’s not good. The fact that Depps team have managed to stop many entering is a good indication that they have made errors.

Makes sense, jury have been there for weeks. So save the last slam dunk fresh in their memories to take in to deliberation.

If the forensic digital analysis even hints that the meta data on AH's photos are not "100%" accurate. It's over.

I didn't think JD would win, but with such weak evidence, contradictions, lies and excuses such as "I use pledge and donation synonymous with each other"....(no you don't, you are a intelligent woman, you know the difference ect.) I do think he has a chance now.

Defence just didn't have a rock hard, steady case and they fell apart.

Does the trial end today? Do we hear the verdict today?