Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

I think that's called taking things out of context. Again, if we were talking about a couple living in a vacuum or some alternative universe where women have not been treated horribly and like half humans for most of our history on this planet, then we could debate how power differentiates from couple to couple. Like this I think it's clear. There are exceptions but I do not believe this case/trial is one.

They all testified that both Johnny and Amber invited them to live there. Supposedly Depp had these empty anyway and when you are so rich I guess it doesn't make a lot of difference if someone is staying over in one of your 50 empty houses. He had his best friend live rent free for years, the bald painter guy

He does seem quite generous with his homes. Maybe to make A happy he let them all live there? To be fair that isn't in line with traditional alienate from friends and family abuse.

I think the four police officers, two of which had body cam footage, that stated they saw nothing on May 21st are far more credible than Rocky.
The 'damage' photos she has been testifying to, all of that damage, they claim was cleaned up in less than an hour before the 2nd set of officers arrived.

So they're photographing and treating AHs injuries, cleaning up lots and lots of broken glass, vases, broken frames, wine stains, bead stands etc and we're supposed to believe that they did that, in less than an hour.
Because on the body cam footage from the second set of officers there is NO damage anywhere.
They also have 2 little dogs running around. If we apply some logic here, anyone who has ever broken even a single glass knows that it can splinter and have the tiniest shards everywhere. They could have put those dogs in another apartment to keep them from being injured on glass. Why did they not?
Because they did the damage themselves and cleaned it up as they went. That's how they were sitting on the sofa with the TV on, all nice and cosy when the second set of police arrived. Why do you think Josh was so keen on keeping them out.
Who would do that if your friend had just been assaulted? You'd be honest and open with police?...

Rockys testimony has the same holes Amber's does. The evidence doesn't match the claims.
Can't understand her looking at the photos of AH and describing black eyes etc ... they're not seeing the same photos the rest of us are surely?

@Miscfeminista I have BPD. I also work in MH supporting people with BPD into recovery (yes it’s possible to recover - you still have the disorder but you can learn healthy ways to
manage it - like requiring the brain, the old wiring is still there but you can lay down new).

with all due respect, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about so please stop. It’s insulting and ignorant and bordering on offensive.

That's what I sit here wondering.

The issue all of AHs ex/friends have is that they have to stick to the script now. They will perjure themselves if their testimony differs from the UK.

I agree with you, it is an official diagnosis and condition and widely recognised within the psychology/psychiatry field.

You claim Hughes debunked Curry fair and square, and claim the ACLU testimony revealed nothing....I really don't mean to be rude to you but I don't have anything else to say to you regarding this trial.

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Wait this bloke is now saying he didn't see anything. I'm so confused about them calling him

That was what I was thinking, my H alienated me from absolutely everyone.

He even did the school run once with that sole purpose.

I honestly thought "what a bunch of freeloaders now testifying" but I am aware that is not a nice thing to say.

"And just based on UK trial the accussations are not considered false as they were already proven in court."

The fact anyone can still believe that is alarming.

and why do none not speak to AH any more?

I can't believe anyone still listens to the U.K. trial verdict knowing she committed perjury at least once. Would it be a surprise if she'd done it more times?

I read the whole U.K. trial judgement and it was an absolute joke if I am being honest. The Judges reasoning was bizarre.

That is my personal opinion and I stand by it. I am not interrupting you in how you want to call things or describe them etc nor do I know you nor is this about you or anyone personally. You don't get to shut someone up because they have not been in same exact situations as you. Whether you have some diagnosis or not it's equally unprofessional to diagnose someone online(which I haven't said you did but is so generally). I could equally say it's offensive to try to diagnose someone with personality disorder in DV because I have been in that situation and from my perspective it's misogynistic, ESPECIALLY when trying to make them look less credible.

So josh Drew’s testimony contradicts the body cam, and the police statements.

I don't know what to make of this circus I really don't.

All I know is I sit in court a lot, on criminal cases. And I see evidence pictures of horrific DA and assaults.

And the way AH described these assaults so vividly and the aggression the force, the brutality. And then I see the pictures of her bruising and I'm not going to lie I head tilt and say "really?"

I mean I've seen some where faces are swollen, the welts and bruising is immediate, significant. Were talking massive red welts, with swelling where the bruising is coming through immediately, and the testimony for the offence is similar to what AH describes.

I don't deny he may have hit her, who knows. I've no idea who's telling the truth anymore in this parade, but I can't from my own experience of seeing such evidence images tally then up with the testimony given. But then I think, maybe she has just embellished it or I maybe she recalls it differently, which is fair, it's a traumatic individual experience and it may have felt like that for her.

I'm at a loss with it all. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Glad I'm not on the jury.

Honestly, how many of her friends were living with her and JD? Now testifying? Totally ridiculous and heresay IMO

It is NOT "his" apartment, it was JDs

Josh Drew just said that he is a survivor of domestic violence himself. Curious whether that was from Rocky or not.

Well you could say alienated her by making her friends side with him. They were all her friends first and they are testifying they became his friend too and were trying to help"them"whereas if they didn't get his gifts and friendlieness, it would have been easier to call him out. I would say he was quite successfull in alienating her from family and friends(he did same with her parents)

Nope, I couldnt say that at all. She was NOT alienated. I think he was.

I haven’t diagnosed anyone online, I did not even mention the trial at all.

I also did not tell you to shut up.

I respectfully suggested you stop spreading misinformation about BPD. There is already too much misinformation and stigma around the diagnosis and spreading more does nothing to help the advancement and development of services for this client group (which have been sorely lacking in the past. or help those with the disorder receive the treatment they deserve.

And when you are rubbishing the lived reality of thousands of people, actually yes I DO have responsibility to call that out where I see it. Whether that’s the clinicians I train & work with or randoms on the internet.

It is true that women who are victims of DV frequently have MH used against them. I
one of those, and have had this happen to me. But that that is all the more reason why it is so important to increase understanding with accurate information and awareness raising, and challenge the myths, misinformation and damaging BS that gets thrown around about this diagnosis in particular.

Personally, I try and make sure I am well informed about a subject before I start speaking about it and potentially spreading harmful and inaccurate representations about something I know little about.

But that’s just me.

I wouldn’t waste my time with that poster @Rinoachicken there is nothing you can say that would change their mind. I stopped engaging a couple of pages ago.

@Legrandsophie ah - thanks for the heads up! 😊