Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

I never said he's innocent but she certainly isn't and you can't say how he feels about his daughter compared to his toxic ex wife. Completely different dynamic and relationship. Are you saying vaness paradis his ex partner and lily rose mum is lying about him instead of amber?

Make it make sense to me, because I see AH using the me too movement and how you feel about the power imbalance, which is absolutely correct by the way, to her advantage and being a fly in the ointment

Knowing what I know about our justice system in the U.K., most likely nothing will be done about it. I know someone who lied in court and the judge wasn't bothered.

@TiddyTidTwo I would not say so, misogyny is misogyny. Just because he acts bit better to his daughter doesn't mean he is not viewing her through same lens

I can believe Depp being guilty to some of the stuff, some he has acknowledged and some he maybe capable of. But what I can’t blame Depp for is Amber and her legal team/representatives losing her own credibility. Depp cannot be responsible for her evidence being late, for her previous and current statements under oath.

I'm absolutely saying he was never abusive. I don't count any ranting swearing texts or verbal abuse when they were fighting. Everyone is so outraged at the burn the corpse texts to his friend. She was just as awful, except directly to his face. And it's physical and sexual Amber has to prove.

There are 2 times when JD himself mentioned any physical contact. The first was in an audio tape when he said he pushed her, talking about defending himself I think.
The second is the accidental headbutt. He explained in his testimony what happened there.
Amber's explanation was interesting. She said "he balled up his fists, leaned back, and headbutted her square in the nose."

I'm not sure why anyone would ball their fists up to headbutt somebody. My opinion is that she was describing what her own hands were doing, ie punching him.
As much as people discount body language, it's very telling when you look at it in moments like this.

I think Io and Rocky have been convincing enough. Even if they fell out, that's what happens with a lot of friends-you grow up or you have differences in lifestyles and attitudes as result, you grow apart. But in cases of DV, people often don't want to be involved anymore and the support takes a toll on them too, especially if combined with former. We often hear DV isolates you from everyone and I think Amber probably lost quite a few friends over this. Even if they saw the effects of abuse like Rocky and Io, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them had opinion"she wasn't all that innocent either"which makes it all the easier to say it's not my business sorry(which is fair enough, no one is obliged to be your friend and support you but on the other hand, you are very likely to end up pretty much alone)

They have been ok, better if they answered Depps lawyers as clearly as they do ambers. They seem to have little recollection for Depps lawyers. Has Rocky lawyer (I think that’s what he was) disappeared for Ambers lawyers. Apart from the coke she’s much better than i0.

I quite liked iO. Seemed a very likeable and genuine person.

Pennington testified that they argued, she pushed Amber and Amber hit her in the face - sure this didnt help the friendship.
She also testified that she needed to prioritise other relationships in her life when asked why her and Amber were no longer close. This seems to tie in with Amber having Borderline Personality - ie falling out with a close friend because you feel abandoned if they have other friends/relationships....

I don't think it's a leap considering the evidence was 5 months late....

Yeah...I do not acknowledge BPD whatsoever as valid diagnosis for anyone, to me it's new hysteria and a sticker to put on any woman that does not react the way society deems she should(in most cases PTSD).
How did you read from"she needed to prioritise other relationships in her life"that she was no longer friends with her because she got jealous or whatever that she has other friends? To me it sounds like she got new friends and Amber did not fit in that circle

@Boulshired the lawyer is at the back left saw edge of his shoulder at one point. I think she appears more distressed with AH lawyer because she has probably started revisiting things after she got a refresher from JDs questioning(if that one was the day before/first)and also may have felt like she can say more.

Generally I'm wondering if the lawyers ask people that have valuable evidence for your side to say that they are not testifying for anyone so it seems more credible/"less biased"?

The testimony from that ACLU guy as well as the emails between the lawyers provided a clear motive of ill intent re the op-ed.
The emails highlighted the truth that Heard wanted to make it even more obvious it was Johnny than ended up being settled on! The motive for leaving enough clues in the article to make it clear it was Johnny has been exposed - they did this, as well as timing the release just before Aquaman, for as much attention as possible. The benefits to Heards career and general status of being an ACLU ambassador are also clear, as is the fact that you have to have had direct experience as a victim to be one.
Heard and the ACLU used the accusations Heard brought against Depp to their benefit via the op ed.

If the accusations are false then it's clearly ill-intent.

Did you watch this part of the trial????

As for who is more "powerful" can you elaborate on what you mean?

Physically - yes he can do more damage than a woman but that holds no weight in the finding of fact here....

Status-wise - meaningless when her accusations cost him so much.

To disregard BPD based on what youve said there (seems to be trotted out quite a lot by the #metoo crowd) is fairly extreme/controversial and Have you been trained as a psychologist/psychiatrist?

I'm basing my opinion on the friendship ending on the fact that Amber's behaviour on the stand is very abnormal, the evidence doesnt cash the cheques shes trying to sell and I'm pretty sold on Curry's expert testimony regarding her diagnoses.....and what Rocky said ties in with this.

What are you basing your opinions on - anything that fits with the woman being the victim?

@OnlyHippyInTheVillage - late to reply sorry I've been working. Thank you for answering , I can't imagine how this will end. Originally I thought it would be a win for AH but now im not so sure.

I do find this “powerful” argument disrespectful to those who have been abused. It may relate to this case but in a place we want to give victims a voice it silences others. I share some of Depps childhood with having a violent mother and yet still managed to forgive her. I also had to watch her relentless attacks on my father safe in the knowledge he would never hit back. Yet according to the power dynamics- he was more powerful. She would force us out of bed to witness the arguments and wouldn’t stop hitting until he smashed something. Then he would be the “arsehole”. The saddest thing is my mother was also the victim of horrific DV and SA as a child/ young woman herself.

@peonyponies I remember the ACLU lawyer guy testimony and I watched it in full, I simply disagree with how you read that, I have not seen any proof of"ill intent"just back and forth on how to edit it and her consulting a lawyer regards it(I also don't feel to dig into transcript because it takes too much time but I think if there was something so definitive I'd most likely remember).
What I also remember; there was no"oh how do we put Johnnys name in come on come on"tho the ACLU guy did sort of mock the other ACLU member for saying"so much for not mentioning JD name"response as he thought people would assume(she apparantely thought they did a good job not mentioning him).
And just based on UK trial the accussations are not considered false as they were already proven in court.

I believe she clarified that she wanted more publicity for ACLU so published it around movie, not the other way around.

He is phsyically stronger, has bigger and more influental social circle, is more likely to be believed as a man when it comes to denying accusations(as we are witnessing now)and he is also wealthier. He is older so had the advantage over a younger person in some"mental"ways. He still earns money for the previous work he had done probably so he can survive even without roles(some companies like that perfume crap are more than willing to support him too), he will never bankrupt and he can probably afford another trial. He admits to smashing shit around her and just beside her-I would like to see how'd you feel if someone threw shit right next to your head(don't think you'd be saying"oh he just got angry and besides, it did not hit me"). I don't see the dillema here

It does feel that Rocky amnesia has now cleared up. It’s like two completely different people. Otherwise she has remained solid in this part.

@peonyponies I assume you are not an expert either yet you fully believe a very misogynistic"diagnosis"(that could change in the holy DSM at any time)off the bat, not realising that it's one of first things people would use against you during some traumatic event in court to discredit you(or as we see, generally in chit chats anywhere). One of experts that talk about what I am saying is dr Jessica Taylor-like her or not, I think she is onto something and she is NOT the first to say that. She is probably not right about everything nor she has to be but gives a pretty good insight as to why you might reconsider what you believe about BPD and cluster Bs.

I do not believe dr Curry at all because she got debunked fair and square by a more qualified, more experienced and actually experienced in cases of DV, dr Hughes.

The desire to call women crazy is people's favourite so go ahead enjoy yourself with the rest of the mob. Also I have my reservations towards metoo as well as AH's"feminism". This is not an all or nothing game.

This is very damning for Depp.
No doubt someone can explain why Pennington shouldn't be believed but I think she's very credible. Especially as her and Heard are no longer friendly.

@Boulshired I'm sorry you went through that, no one says that abused women are angels or that they do not do horrible things. You don't need to forgive anyone either IMO(of course not suggesting, just saying).
My explanation of power hierarchy was more based on: who can leave without losing livelihood or be in the street? Who is actually more physically strong(whether they decide to use that or not)? Who is going to be believed when they go to police or bear less consequence?
From what I see over and over, even when men are reported, they get a slap on the wrist and go back home. Most women in marriage do not bother about non consensual sex(it's called ra*e), it's just a normal thing in abnormal relationships and they don't question all the money being controlled by men either most times. It isn't simple but on small and large scale, men have more power in big majority of cases.

This is awful😞horrible images

Physically and financially strong does not always equal mentally strong, and labelling someone powerful does the one thing that most people fight - victim blaming. You’re to powerful to be abused is a message that should not be sent out.

Who and why are all AHs friends living in all his pent houses, rent free? Why are none speaking to any other, especially Amber?

I smell a rat.