Part 3 AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Following on from parts 1 and 2
Trial has gone 'dark' this week as the Judge is at a conference so it's going to be quiet on that front and I expect this thread will run slower than the previous two, however, there is still plenty of material and evidence from the last three weeks that we can 'cross examine'.

Any and all opinions welcome.

I think Rocky is going to be bad for both of them, so does amber do coke or not? then they was violence between amber and herself. Then she is going to support Amber evidence so it will be Depps turn under the spotlight

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Those last two witnesses were on AH side, right??

Because, Christ they were bad.

I thought IO was ok. Rocky was like wtf! They'd dragged her there but couldn't make her speak 😂

Just had a look at the witness for Depp, whose evidence was a pre recorded deposition (his former agent and divorce lawyer)

In those depositions, Amber's team asked question first, the Depps team 2nd.
So it much be a standard practice thing.

I do feel sorry for the jury, and the UK judge. one lots of evidence comes from Depps payroll and the other side are Ambers friends who were sort of on Depps payroll as well. The vibe from Rocky and i0 was definitely of two people who didn’t want to be there.

Also think it’s a disadvantage to have the video deposition, apart from the vaping driver they are just so boring, can see the jury switching off during i0.

Sidenote…does any of you watch this speeded up? I’m too impatient to wait whole day and then play the record so I usually tune in half of hour or so after it starts so I can put it on x2 and rewatch some moments I didn’t get or hear. The way they are talking is waaaaaay too slow to listen on normal speed Idk how you folk endure that

agree.

Why was the lawyer questioning AH about the phone so much when Depp supposedly confirmed himself he smashed it

mobile.twitter.com/stirgussa/status/1293443815043469313/photo/1

I really don’t understand the point of trial if all that matters is twisting things and hoping no one asks for evidence. Like they must have known what he testified, why was she adamant to make her admit there’s no phone in pictures etc

agree.

She didn't do herself any favours by storming out of the courtroom before the judge and jury and not rejoining her legal team. This type of behaviour just plays into the hands of Depp and his team, I also feel sorry for her legal team because she's not exactly giving them an easy ride. After seeing them getting ridiculed on social media and Elaine's "I'm trying, I'm trying" outburst yesterday I wouldn't blame them for quitting.

What we are learning about Amber charitable donation giving is she is capable of misleading the court, the same way she did with the two photos - they are the same photo. She was set up for rebuttal with this one. The slip up in 2016 with TMZ statement. They are the seeds that she can either lie or exaggerate. The end of the bed which there are demonstrating on you tube cannot be done with a boot. There are nine jury members she needs to convince and for Depp the wider audience. Not telling the truth about charity might not be important for some for me it is what type of character you are and why should I believe anything else. My issue with Amber is not that she is lying about abuse but she is capable of exaggerating and omitting relevant details - just like the charity donations. The whataboutery is pretending that misleading the court is Ok as long as it’s not about DV or SA.

Agree @Boulshired it all goes to character.

She has attempted to paint herself as a put upon saint who endured a violent marriage for love. But even the evidence of her friends suggests that she has a nasty temper, was an alcoholic and a drug user. Being caught out in lies about the pictures, charities and the abuse timeline makes her look completely untrustworthy.

As others have said- if she had stuck to the original claims then she might have gotten somewhere. But she does seem to love to embellish. If these events did happen then why weren’t they included on the original restraining order? She was surrounded by lawyer, the NDA hadn’t been signed yet and she would have gotten a longer restraining order if she has all the evidence she claims she had. Why not give all of this very convincing evidence then?

UK law is not looking good as a result of this. Seems Amber committed perjury and the fact it was a judge only trial also had an impact on the result.

Can anything be done about her lying in the UK? will anything be done?

The most stunning thing to come out of all of this is that no matter how abusive a woman, people will still defend her, call her brave, fawn over her and basically absolve her of any blame. Absolutely mind blowing stuff.

The most stunning thing to come out of all of this is that no matter how abusive a woman, people will still defend her, call her brave, fawn over her and basically absolve her of any blame. Absolutely mind blowing stuff.
Hmmmm. I'd say the most stunning thing to come out of this is that a woman can have photos, witnesses and audios of her being abused, already have had all that evidence successfully tested in court and yet still be called a liar or if she didn't lie she deserved the abuse.

Victim blaming at its finest.

I'm pretty shocked that people are still defending her.

Have the defenders actually watched the trial - like, all of it?

There are many experienced-trial-lawyers giving their opinions on this, it's been fascinating to watch their coverage start as neutral and open-minded and transform to incredulity at Heard's demeanour on the stand, fantastical claims and lack of corroborating evidence to back them up.

The evidence the judge chose to accept to look at to inform his decision was pretty limited, I agree UK civil court's not coming out of this looking great - he actually wrote in his judgment "she must have been terrified" 🙄

Photos that are inadmissible because she lied about the date? "Tested in court" with the same evidence she's now committed perjury over and contradicted numerous times? Explain to me how you're not seeing this or refusing to acknowledge it?

Victim blaming indeed, just not in the direction you meant.

And yet the majority of evidence is failing in the case when she is no longer classed as a third party and Depp can verify the documents. Can you honestly say that you believe the two photos shown yesterday are not the same photo.

Yesterday I was further shooketh by her total lack of self-awareness, her ability to gaslight the jury/the world on the evidence that she has provided. Literally telling Camille/the jury that their ears and eyeballs are wrong.

I've been watching the trial and reading lots of reports.
I'm confused about the photos. The social media narrative is they were inadmissible due to the dates (like you say). However the new sites say they weren't allowed because they weren't made available in time for Depps lawyers to examine them (in the discovery phase).

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenews.com.pk/amp/957176-amber-heard-bloody-lip-rejected-photo-rejected-for-evidence-in-court-see

Depps team have done a great job getting photos ruled inadmissible and that has undermined Amber's case I think. But I haven't seen anything that proves she lied or doctored photos

I'm sure you can give me a source?

But she doesn’t have any of those things. Her friends never saw him hit her, the photos don’t show what she says they do and some have been shown to have been tampered with and the voice recordings clearly show her admiring to hitting him and calling him a baby for running away from her.

he says quite clearly ‘there can be no violence between us’ and she replies ‘I just get so mad sometimes’ the inference there is not hard to pick up. I’m not sure how you can read that as him hitting her.

He has witnesses that saw her hit him. He has clear and verifiable pictures of bruises and medical records with doctors notes on his injuries. Yet somehow you have completely ignored that.

Is her violence invisible to you? Is her bullying invisible to you? Is her drug taking and drinking and lying invisible to you?

@AdamRyan

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-plaintiff-mot-sanctions-3-22-2022.pdf

there is the link to depps motion for sanctions regarding her failure to comply with submission of photos and text messages - she did submit but 5 months late and with with incorrect/unreadable metadata.

Heards team submitted the requested data 5 a month before trial start, with her 'expert' having used outdated/unlicensed software to analyse the data - some of the photos dated in the 1970s, for example, or the data being straight-up scrambled to making them un-datable.

This is why she has not been allowed to show these in court. As evidence they are worse than useless.