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To think male violence will never end?

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YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 15:26

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

OP posts:
stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:20

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:17

So, you say I don’t have solutions, read my post and then make mockery of how I’d make the world a better place….
Which is it?

And then make personal jabs….

Do you want us just to keep pretending men aren’t the problem, pat them on the head…..

You make no sense!

No, I wamt you to stop implying that I agree with the rape and murder of a young girl.

Writing a whole load of random phrases and actions that we haven't actually done isn't solutions.

Again with the patting on the head. You do realise you are suggesting that I advocate child murder and rape? a bold claim indeed, and really one of the most sickening things I have ever read.

JoeGoldberg · 04/05/2022 20:21

Eurgh bold fail.

MissChanandlerBong80 · 04/05/2022 20:21

But I do think we jump straight to rape and murder and forget that women are capable of bad things. If a PP is allowed to say that never in their life have they been abused by women, surely I'm able to say I haven't and I've been abused by women?

Excuse me?!

Did I read that correctly? We ‘jump straight to rape and murder and forget that women are capable of bad things’?!

Honestly. Silly us. Getting all het up about rape and murder.

Noone’s ever said that women are incapable of bad things. Not once. But rape and murder are the two most serious offences against the person that exist. And men are exclusively responsible for all rapes, and are responsible for the vast majority of murders. Why is that?

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:21

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:13

What a laugh.

I asked a number of questions on the motivations of this boy and how we overcome these things and I was told to "get out of the way" while Mn fixes the problem by doing....well I'm not sure really.

Neither me or the other couple PP with half sense are scared. We are living in the real world.

If rape and murder could be fixed, as wonderful as MN posters are, I think it would have been fixed a while ago.

I think you got overly triggered here….
Why are you so angry?

I meant men who do not step up and help end male violence to stay out of the way.

If you identify as a person who wants violent men to continue, then it was meant for you.

OP posts:
stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:22

JoeGoldberg · 04/05/2022 20:20

It's far more likely that the ABSENCE of a parent causes abnormal behaviour.

These are your words @stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou

You don't say PARENTS.

You say A PARENT. Clearly meaning the lack of one parent, not both.

But ok whatever.

I said a parent because the post directly above referenced violent fathers. I said it was just as possible that the absence of a parent can cause the same behaviour.

I surely dont have to explain to you that people can have absent single parents and end up in care.

Are you equally as annoyed at the poster who referenced violent fathers being the cause for their children's violence or did you sae it all for me?

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:23

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:21

I think you got overly triggered here….
Why are you so angry?

I meant men who do not step up and help end male violence to stay out of the way.

If you identify as a person who wants violent men to continue, then it was meant for you.

Dont invalidate my feelings.

I'm angry because people are making downright disgusting suggestions.

PS - I've offered more solutions / thoughts as to how to stop crimes like this in their tracks than anyone on the thread - I've yet to see anyone reference the OP's actual point.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:24

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:23

Dont invalidate my feelings.

I'm angry because people are making downright disgusting suggestions.

PS - I've offered more solutions / thoughts as to how to stop crimes like this in their tracks than anyone on the thread - I've yet to see anyone reference the OP's actual point.

You need to read the thread then. Loads of people have - step one is admitting there’s a problem with male violence.

5128gap · 04/05/2022 20:25

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 19:46

Oh for goodness sake. That is absolute made up nonsense.

50 percent of children in care end up in prison. I wonder why.

It's far more likely that the ABSENCE of a parent causes abnormal behaviour.

And, watch me get burned by MN, women have a part to play in who they choose to have their children with. Incidentally, every single murdering man had a mother. Are we blaming any of them or just the ones with a penis?

I think even someone with the meanest intellect can grasp that the ABSENCE of a violent role model is less likely to lead to the emulation of violent behaviour than the presence of a violent role model.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:25

MissChanandlerBong80 · 04/05/2022 20:21

But I do think we jump straight to rape and murder and forget that women are capable of bad things. If a PP is allowed to say that never in their life have they been abused by women, surely I'm able to say I haven't and I've been abused by women?

Excuse me?!

Did I read that correctly? We ‘jump straight to rape and murder and forget that women are capable of bad things’?!

Honestly. Silly us. Getting all het up about rape and murder.

Noone’s ever said that women are incapable of bad things. Not once. But rape and murder are the two most serious offences against the person that exist. And men are exclusively responsible for all rapes, and are responsible for the vast majority of murders. Why is that?

All rapes? a man has never been raped?

Yes, you did read it correctly. My point was that an earlier poster said that shed only ever been hurt by men and not women. I am the opposite, but I can't have an opinion because the people dhtat didn't hurt me are rapists and murderers. Logic, there.

Oh and by the way - the reason they are more responsible (in this case) could be due to a number of factors in early years that weren't addressed (that mostly affect boys).

But im not allowed to say that, or I'm agreeing with the boys' behaviour, apparently.

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:25

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:20

No, I wamt you to stop implying that I agree with the rape and murder of a young girl.

Writing a whole load of random phrases and actions that we haven't actually done isn't solutions.

Again with the patting on the head. You do realise you are suggesting that I advocate child murder and rape? a bold claim indeed, and really one of the most sickening things I have ever read.

Step back, breathe a little, please.

The only one suggesting that you personally support kids being raped and killed is you.

I don’t know where you came up with that.

Take a little brake, seriously.
You don’t seem alright.

OP posts:
stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:26

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:24

You need to read the thread then. Loads of people have - step one is admitting there’s a problem with male violence.

I'm sure that will change the world.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:26

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:25

Step back, breathe a little, please.

The only one suggesting that you personally support kids being raped and killed is you.

I don’t know where you came up with that.

Take a little brake, seriously.
You don’t seem alright.

read the last two pages.

a PP claimed I was justifying the boys behaviour., Funnily enough no, I'm not OK with that.

sawdustformypony · 04/05/2022 20:27

As long as there are males, there will be males that are violent. Biology 101.

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:27

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:23

Dont invalidate my feelings.

I'm angry because people are making downright disgusting suggestions.

PS - I've offered more solutions / thoughts as to how to stop crimes like this in their tracks than anyone on the thread - I've yet to see anyone reference the OP's actual point.

Too many chains here now.

Were you the one who wanted to blame mothers?
That was really original, how did you come up with that?

OP posts:
stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:28

5128gap · 04/05/2022 20:25

I think even someone with the meanest intellect can grasp that the ABSENCE of a violent role model is less likely to lead to the emulation of violent behaviour than the presence of a violent role model.

Emulation of, yes.

I'd like to see your statistics on how many boys and men commit violet crimes due to having had a violent dad as opposed to a violent mum, absence of either parent, etc etc...

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:28

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:26

I'm sure that will change the world.

Ah, it will though. Because once society admits there’s a problem with male violence (unarguable) then society can begin to find solutions. Denying the problem exists solves nothing.

And yes, men are responsible for all rapes.

JoeGoldberg · 04/05/2022 20:28

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou I'm equally annoyed at pretty much the majority of people on this thread tbh. Which is why I'm hiding it.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:28

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 20:27

Too many chains here now.

Were you the one who wanted to blame mothers?
That was really original, how did you come up with that?

No.

I was the one who pointed out that only fathers being responsible for any harm which may lead to violent children is complete and utter nonsense.

brookstar · 04/05/2022 20:29

All rapes? a man has never been raped?
Well, the legal definition of rape requires you to be penetrated by a penis so when a man is raped he's being raped by another man. So it's still a male violence issue.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:30

brookstar · 04/05/2022 20:29

All rapes? a man has never been raped?
Well, the legal definition of rape requires you to be penetrated by a penis so when a man is raped he's being raped by another man. So it's still a male violence issue.

Jesus christ.

Are we in the 20s?

Women can rape men.

And you can't have it both ways - is the man a victim of male violence even though hes a man?

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:31

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:30

Jesus christ.

Are we in the 20s?

Women can rape men.

And you can't have it both ways - is the man a victim of male violence even though hes a man?

Yes - it’s still a man being violent!

And women can’t rape men.

brookstar · 04/05/2022 20:31

Women can rape men.
No they can't. You need a penis to commit rape.
That is the legal definition.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 20:31

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:28

Ah, it will though. Because once society admits there’s a problem with male violence (unarguable) then society can begin to find solutions. Denying the problem exists solves nothing.

And yes, men are responsible for all rapes.

Pumper, I worry about your lack of comprehension. Unlike other posters, I don't believe theres a single person who believes that male violence doesn't exist or is OK.

What we have said is that it is a complicated issue and needs solutions, as opposed to random phrases - I refer you to the PPS who have rattled on about boys being boys and male apologists despite none of those expressions being on this thread.

Discovereads · 04/05/2022 20:32

brookstar · 04/05/2022 20:31

Women can rape men.
No they can't. You need a penis to commit rape.
That is the legal definition.

That’s the legal definition in the U.K.
Not worldwide. In the US for example, a woman can indeed rape a man.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 20:33

Well, let’s test that theory @stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou - is there a problem with male violence in society?

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