To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

because I want to, and its my opinion, and you don't rule the boards.

@JoeGoldberg just to add on - you have spectacularly and deliberately missed the point of my post (which was ironic in the first place).

I'm not talking about people with parents.

50 percent of children in care end up in prison. Why?

What’s your opinion? That we all think all men are violent?

Which on MN is all fine but in the real world...? We need them, and they need us. Rather than men and women, good and bad might be a better idea.

Agree with this.

People on here always seem to point out that the common denominator is usually maleness, above ethnicity, religion, etc. But an even more common denominator, transcending sex, is that the perpetrator is usually not a good person. An upstanding male has less in common with a violent male than a violent female does.

Stop trying to argue a cherry picked sentence and read my posts. I've written plenty, you should have lots to be offended by.

These threads have needed sense like that for years.

I think the reason these posts get the NAMALT comments is because they are usually phrased in such a way as to suggest that they are.

No, you are not making him to be the victim of this.

What need to happen is to end misogyny, having society that tells all of us women are less than men, boys and men excused at the expense of girls and women.
And stop raising boys to believe one day woman will come to his life and she owns him everything - without him giving anything back.
And stop with the boys will be boys and the shit excuses we see right here on this thread.
And start demanding men to step up.
And do something.
Or at least get the fuck out the way.

They dont see this though. They make sweeping statements, generalised sentences, deliberately misunderstand posts, cherry pick quotes, try and goad posters into saying things theyre not - and then, and only then, if they get too many NAMALT posters, they then decide to start making reasonable points, claiming they never implied any of these things. Same narrative every time.

Where did I say he was the bloody victim?! I'm the only one whos mentioned him on this thread, purely to ask your solutions, which you don't actually have.

You have just said that I think a male rapist is OK. You are disgusting.
Btw - i dont do any of the above things. None of them. I haven't done them in my post and I don't do them in real life. If you can find where I said anything like tha tyou are wecome to quote it (as for the "woman will come to his life, thats a sheer and utter projection).

"Demanding" just about sums it up. "get the fuck out of the way" is even better - I am sure the male rapists and murderers will be running for cover, hidden by their male apologist folks like us, while you batter furiously on mumsnet to change the world.

I've seen some pathetic, entitled posts on MN but this is by far the most oustanding.

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou I thought it was your opinion?

And yet, here you are. Saving the world justifying male violence one thread at a time.

Find the post where I justified male violence.

read the above post when a PP tried to suggest I am apologising for rapist murderers and then try again to make me out to be the one in the wrong.

Well I agree that abusers, murderes and rapist are not good people.

And most of those ’not good people’ are men.

We really don’t get very far, no matter how you want to avoid the problem……
I know many of you are very scared to say it, but it just doesn’t go away on it’s own.

What a laugh.

I asked a number of questions on the motivations of this boy and how we overcome these things and I was told to "get out of the way" while Mn fixes the problem by doing....well I'm not sure really.

Neither me or the other couple PP with half sense are scared. We are living in the real world.

If rape and murder could be fixed, as wonderful as MN posters are, I think it would have been fixed a while ago.

*Were his emotions dismissed (common in men). Did he not have a role model at home (who do we blame for that?) or did he have a bad role model (again, whos fault?) Was he born evil (if so, can women be born evil?) Does society have a part to play (You can't blame lad culture at 14).

Here you go.

You are wrong. You think we hate all men. Your opinion, remember?

No, that’s wrong. You think we think all men are violent, that was your bizarre opinion.

Is that justifying?
(clue - no). I think he should be locked up and never see the light of day again.

Or asking for factors that may have led to it?

If you dont think any of that was at play. what do you think a 14 year old caused him to rape and murder? Because he was born a man? Do you genuinely believe that (the same poster who was so definite for me to answer whether all men are violent?)

I make the same point again.
In the real world, that's how it works.

It's a good job MN doesnt run the police and the courts is all I can say

So, you say I don’t have solutions, read my post and then make mockery of how I’d make the world a better place….
Which is it?

And then make personal jabs….

Do you want us just to keep pretending men aren’t the problem, pat them on the head…..

You make no sense!

Pumper -

I think there are posters on this thread that think that, yes.

And I'm not going to devote all my time and energy to you explaining why because you ignore everything I say anyway and cherry pick random quotes.

You've done a lot of quoting and not much responding.

The OP asked about the crime between the children and when will it end - (read, why did it happen).

Now you can spend the next hour picking on me because my opinion's different, but ultimately we will still go about our lives. Or, you can actually engage in the thread and stop this tedious witch hunt (it's nice to see MN has moved in in these few years and for once other PP are sticking up for themselves and its a fair debate, not you causing a pile on).

Oooh, quick backtrack!

No, I don’t believe men are born violent. I believe society encourages violence in men through toxic masculinity, and women are an easy target.

This ‘in the real world’ stuff is odd talk from someone not above arguing the toss on mumsnet.

When we talk about male violence it's obvious we are talking about males as a class. The NAMALT doesn't need spelling out, unless it's by posters that are trying to derail the tread.

It's far more likely that the ABSENCE of a parent causes abnormal behaviour.

These are your words @stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou

You don't say PARENTS.

You say A PARENT. Clearly meaning the lack of one parent, not both.

But ok whatever.