To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

I take your point, but revenge can be just as much about the impact of a mother favoured court system than control over women per se

(disclaimer for the morning jump ons - I am not justifying anything).

No comment on the studies I posted?

Either way, it's such a miniscule proportion of men who murder that trying to reach these six men in a million is surely like pissing in the wind. Unless we can develop some Minority Report kind of technology.

A better feminist campaign to save women's lives would be educating women about the importance of chewing their food properly, as significantly more women die from choking on their food than from being murdered by men. Problem is that there's no bad guy in this situation.

Are you expecting many black males to be on MN

No you are not

maybe you can do some research yourself

I'll look at those studies tomorrow, although how impartial they are when lifted from a Wikipedia page for domestic violence against men is maybe debatable.

That 'small proportion' of males is still much bigger than the smaller proportion of females.

Government figures reveal there were 289 deaths as a result of choking in 2016 (children,adult males and females). The ONS statistics also revealed men faced the greatest risk of choking themselves to death, with them making up 60 per cent of the deaths. That leaves 116 for children and adult women.

124 women were killed by men in 2016.

Well, the links to the original studies are included. Many are national studies and government studies. But I expect posters will try and find ways to discredit them as happened on the other thread - e.g. focusing on the ones with 85 respondents and ignoring the ones with thousands of respondents and the 32 nation study.

I have a feeling the rest of your studies will be in a similar vein.

There is clear evidence about the prevalence and impact of male violence against women, including girls:
• An estimated 1.6 million women and 757,000 men experience domestic abuse a year (ONSS). A woman is killed by a man every three days in the UK according to the Femicide Censuss;
• Approximately 560,000 women and 140,000 men are sexually assaulted each year according to the ONSS_, with women being nearly four times as likely as men to have experienced sexual assault. 98% of victims reported that the perpetrator(s) were male.

I'll go by official figures published by the Parliament.

I'll go by official figures published by the Parliament.

Convenient.

One issue is that ONS figures draw heavily from police recorded crime data, so many unreported crimes do not feature - likely exacerbated by men being much less likely to report.

However, when you start surveying thousands of couples and individuals you then start to get a more balanced view. An interesting study I read recently, for example, showed that the rates of female DV increased when they asked women if they'd ever hit their partner, vs asking the man if he'd ever been hit. This points to men not wanting to appear weak and downplaying violence.

Fact is, there is much more data showing the levels of violence to be close than there is to the contrary.

No, it’s roughly 50/50 mothers and fathers killing children per that study. You just conveniently deleted the relevant paragraphs in your post so you could post misinformation.

”Data from 33 countries distinguishing the perpetra- tors of parental homicides of children under the age of 18 years showed that mothers committed just over half of all parental homicides (median 54.7%, IQR 36.7– 68.8); in high-income countries, the median percentage was 44.4% (IQR 36.7–66.7), in the East Asia and Pacific region, 64.6% (IQR 59.0–69.3), in the Americas, 15.4% (IQR 13.3–17.4), in Africa, 88.6% (IQR 71.1–100.0), in low-income and middle-income Europe, 60.4% (IQR 45.8–75.0) and in the Mediterranean region, 7.4% (IQR 0.0–14.8). Only 12 countries had available data on how many parental homicides were committed by step-par- ents, with 7.2% (IQR: 5.7–14.5) of parental homicides committed by step-parents. Out of them, nine studies reported a breakdown, with the median percentage of stepmothers committing homicides among parental homicides being 1.0% (IQR: 0.7–3.3) and for stepfathers 7.4% (IQR: 3.1–17.4).
Only 14 countries have data on homicide perpetra- tors of children under 1year of age, excluding studies investigating neonaticides only. These show that parents are the most common perpetrators of homicides of chil- dren under 1year (77.8, IQR: 61.5–100), followed by unknown perpetrators with 7.5% (IQR: 0.0–24.0). The 12 countries with detailed data on parent as perpetrators showed mothers commit the majority of parental homi- cides of children under 1 year (71.7% (IQR: 50.2–75.7)). Seven studies investigated perpetrators of neonaticides (defined as the murder of an infant within 24hours of giving birth with the exception of a study in France and Denmark, which extended it to 1month after birth), without considering the mother as the default perpe- trator. They found that parents committed 100% of neonaticides (IQR 62.0–100.0). If studies only consid- ering parents were examined, 13 countries had data and the vast majority of neonaticides are committed by mothers (100%, IQR 92.9–100). Fathers committed very few neonaticides (0.00%, IQR: 0.0–6.7).”
bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/bmjpo/1/1/e000112.full.pdf

But women arent helping the situation either lets be honest. Little Girls are dressed in pink and cute texst. And little boys are dressed in videogames and trucks and superhero stuff. The imbalance starts from infancy. Literally by the gendered colors they put on babies. Girls are being put on display as cute
Boys as tough.

Have you ever seen the difference in how mums treat their dd vs their ds if they fall in a playground?

Their dd: awww are you ok sweetheart?
Their ds: you're ok! You're tough!

This baffles me. Beyond belief.

Sadly it is sometimes the case when dads do a runner, like mine, on day 1.

So I guess another man to add to the shits on a (very long) list but I learnt all the violence I could handle from my mother.

My mother was incredibly bitter and angry. I guess it was to be expected, being the victim of yet another fuckwit of a man. I can fully understand why she turned out like she did but she was ferociously violent and at any opportunity.

Not that I want to turn this into another 'but women...' as the point I wanted to make is that my daughters have absolutely no idea what's it's like to be smacked or even beaten black and blue like I was, routinely. Hopefully the men they meet won't be violent either.

It is possible to not be a violent prick so perhaps some hope for mankind, if I can shake the stereotype. Probably not enough but we live in hope nonetheless.

Will any violence ever end? What about fraud, dishonesty, theft, greed?

I'd say, no, they will all be with us for all time.

There was talk of a curfew last year in the aftermath of Sarahs murder so you would think in 2022 society after 10 pm men should remain inside by law. The streets would be safe yet under Boris the clown we won't see any sensible laws passed.

Bonkers. 😂

Why should millions of people have their lives hugely impacted because of the actions of one?

Just one?

Well, even the 124 men in last year are a fraction of 1% of all men. You don't curtail a whole demographic on the actions of a miniscule proportion.

Interesting that everyone let that utterly bonkers post by @FeministJudy go unchecked - including you, @Supersee , who despite our differing views have proved yourself to be a thoughtful and intelligent poster - yet you challenged Truth on what really is a pedantic issue.

I'm not going to bother with any element of your post, Judy, particularly your frankly unhinged first one.

However, re the curfew - women are statistically far more likely to be murdered by their partners, so let's lock them up with the potential perpetrators past 10pm, as everyone knows only the bad murderers work after 9.59pm.

There’s no point in acknowledging it. Just report it, like I did.

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz nobody actually said that. We just pointed out that everybody blames fathers.

@Lunar27 sorry for what youve been through.

What about the men who rape, commit sexual assault and other violent acts without ending in murder? That’s a lot more than 124.

Hence the high suicide rate.