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To think male violence will never end?

672 replies

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 15:26

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

OP posts:
stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:55

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 21:51

Errrm nope, so that's your phycological evaluation of murder MEN! WOW.

The police and criminologists really should just do a casting call on MN.

Supersee · 04/05/2022 21:56

Are you both being deliberately obtuse? Do you need every point spelt out? Women commit murders. Men commit far more murders than women.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 21:57

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:55

The police and criminologists really should just do a casting call on MN.

No, you really don’t need any training to note that men killing men is about men.

This thread has become very strange.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:57

Supersee · 04/05/2022 21:54

Good for you, discuss that case given in the OP all you want. Myself, and others, want to talk GENERALLY about violence from males and boys towards women and girls, also mentioned in the OP without necessarily discussing said particular case.

Which we are perfectly entitled to do. It's not difficult to understand (despite you struggling with this concept).

Thanks for your permission.

But there lies the problem.

These types of problems will never be sorted for as long as all, or both sides, duck and dive.

The annoying thing is, we would probably all be agreed on the types of things that would change things.

But for as long as we speak generally and on opposite sides of the fence, nothing will change.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:58

Supersee · 04/05/2022 21:56

Are you both being deliberately obtuse? Do you need every point spelt out? Women commit murders. Men commit far more murders than women.

Did you bother to read Truth's posts about the reasoning behind this or did it not suit you?

brookstar · 04/05/2022 21:58

So you are accepting you are omitting all murders committed by females then, thank you for proving your full blown bias on the matter.

Eh? You specifically posted information on male on male violence.
I feel like I've entered the twilight zone.

TruthHertz · 04/05/2022 21:59

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 21:48

I’m not going through all of these but just to pick one, it’s not a definitive link.

So you ask for evidence and when presented with it refuse to read it? 😂

Suffice to say there's loads more evidence to suggest that testosterone is a factor in male violence than there is evidence pointing to misogyny. I mean, most domestic violence is reciprocal (and when it's one sided it's 70% female).

So how can it be misogynistic when it's usually mutual?

brookstar · 04/05/2022 21:59

Supersee · 04/05/2022 21:56

Are you both being deliberately obtuse? Do you need every point spelt out? Women commit murders. Men commit far more murders than women.

It's not a difficult concept is it??!

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:59

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 21:57

No, you really don’t need any training to note that men killing men is about men.

This thread has become very strange.

But it isn't.

It's about their parents, their upbringing, their siblings, their grandparents, their teachers, their support at school, their pals, their relationships, their mental health, their environment.

Not their penis.

Truth pointed out earlier, and she was right, that females would no doubt murder more if it was physically possible.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:00

TruthHertz · 04/05/2022 21:59

So you ask for evidence and when presented with it refuse to read it? 😂

Suffice to say there's loads more evidence to suggest that testosterone is a factor in male violence than there is evidence pointing to misogyny. I mean, most domestic violence is reciprocal (and when it's one sided it's 70% female).

So how can it be misogynistic when it's usually mutual?

No, there isn’t. There’s no definitive link. Did you read the one I attached?

LightSpeeds · 04/05/2022 22:00

This isn't just a question of violence. The sexual component is the other major part of the problem. With the huge increase in the availability and use of porn (often violent) to everyone including children from a young age, we are now living in a 'pornocracy' (as I heard someone call it the the other day). Along with this goes in increase in murder, rape, violence, disrespect, objectification, poor relationships, etc. with mostly women and children the victims.

I hold out little hope for the future.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:00

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 21:59

But it isn't.

It's about their parents, their upbringing, their siblings, their grandparents, their teachers, their support at school, their pals, their relationships, their mental health, their environment.

Not their penis.

Truth pointed out earlier, and she was right, that females would no doubt murder more if it was physically possible.

So why is it overwhelmingly people with a penis who kill? Or are violent? Just a coincidence?

Supersee · 04/05/2022 22:00

Men kill men too y'know!

Right so if they kill women AND men it might suggest it's a man problem.

Ha! So you are saying ALL men are murderers then, so no women at all. Call in the criminologists, what a field day they'll have.

Eh no, women do commit murders, just not as much as the menz.

JESUS WEPT.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:00

TruthHertz · 04/05/2022 21:59

So you ask for evidence and when presented with it refuse to read it? 😂

Suffice to say there's loads more evidence to suggest that testosterone is a factor in male violence than there is evidence pointing to misogyny. I mean, most domestic violence is reciprocal (and when it's one sided it's 70% female).

So how can it be misogynistic when it's usually mutual?

Ah, but its OK for women to be mentally abusive because thats not as bad as rape and murder, Truth.

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:01

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:00

So why is it overwhelmingly people with a penis who kill? Or are violent? Just a coincidence?

Did you read Truth's post? She gave pretty good reasons as to why.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:01

Also, women are capable of shooting someone. Or poisoning someone, you don’t have to be able to physically overpower someone to kill them.

ldontWanna · 04/05/2022 22:01

Truth pointed out earlier, and she was right, that females would no doubt murder more if it was physically possible.

But it is possible. They could easily murder children, teens, or other women (smaller,weaker) than them. They still don't do it anywhere near the same rate as men. It's not because there's an actual lack of ability or opportunity.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:02

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:01

Did you read Truth's post? She gave pretty good reasons as to why.

The testosterone theory one?

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:03

LightSpeeds · 04/05/2022 22:00

This isn't just a question of violence. The sexual component is the other major part of the problem. With the huge increase in the availability and use of porn (often violent) to everyone including children from a young age, we are now living in a 'pornocracy' (as I heard someone call it the the other day). Along with this goes in increase in murder, rape, violence, disrespect, objectification, poor relationships, etc. with mostly women and children the victims.

I hold out little hope for the future.

But women are predominantly the victims because males are (usually) stronger, more powerful, and (althouhg I've argued black is white that women can rape), it's easier for them to do so.

If both sexes could, and were biologically matched, I'm not sure there would be such a discrepancy.

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 22:03

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 21:55

What? You asked me specifically about men killing men. The answer is still male violence!

So are you deliberately not recognising transgender women in your statement?

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:03

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:02

The testosterone theory one?

Yes but you only mentioned that part. She gave plenty of other valid points.

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:04

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 22:03

So are you deliberately not recognising transgender women in your statement?

It wasn’t my statement, it was yours! Are you ok?

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:04

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:03

Yes but you only mentioned that part. She gave plenty of other valid points.

I can’t remember what they were. Can you quote it?

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:04

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 22:03

So are you deliberately not recognising transgender women in your statement?

Hang on, lead. I have gone to toe with pumper and she didnt say anything of the sort.

(incidentally, technically speaking, that assault would be committed by a biological male, which proves pumper's point further).

Pumperthepumper · 04/05/2022 22:05

stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou · 04/05/2022 22:03

But women are predominantly the victims because males are (usually) stronger, more powerful, and (althouhg I've argued black is white that women can rape), it's easier for them to do so.

If both sexes could, and were biologically matched, I'm not sure there would be such a discrepancy.

So men are doing it by accident? Like they don’t know their own strength?

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