To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

Women are seen as second class, just look at the USA and the current Abortion debacle

I read the back story for this on reddit and the murderer had a violent, possibly peadophilic father, who was given custody of him (I could be wrong on the details, but the general idea). I will have a look if I can find the thread again.

Its not about jumping in with NAMALT.

It's about looking into reasons why this crime took place. And that means addressing some of the utterly absurd posts which have come so far.

Perhaps if we raise our children better it would help. They don't all spontaneously become violent.

Was the 14 year old in the OP particularly knowledgeable about these issues, then?

Testosterone theory has never reached any definitive conclusions, as far as I’m aware. Do you have a link?

Male suicide stats are so high because men generally chose more violent methods - I worked for a male suicide charity for a while - that are likely to be more successful. Attempted suicide stats show little difference between sexes, as the methods tend to be more easily rectified (such as stomach pumping).

And I also didn't say if men say they're feminists they are lying. Just that it's not above the realms of possibility that some may not be what they say they are, as cases have shown.

But it’s mine. I’m interested in how you think we can solve the problem of male violence in society. You must have some thoughts?

I can't find much, other than that they knew each other.

Interestingly the post above the one I looked up was a 14 year old girl who killed her 10 year old cousin.

• Neither have women. They're as perfect as the day is long.

Do you hear how ridiculous you sound?

If he claims to be a feminist, he's lying. If he claims to be a nice guy, he's lying. They'd honestly be better declaring them an arsehole and being done with it (oh sorry, if they do that and women still choose to marry them and have families with them, when they are ultimately an arsehole, that's their fault too!)

By your logic though, I'm not a mens right activist so therefore no further PPs can call me that. Cheers.*

That's because words are cheap. It's the actions that count. Generally the men saying they're nice guys ,aren't. Or they are until they get rejected in some way or another.The niceness is transactional.

Do they watch porn?
Do they go to strip clubs?
Do they pay for sexual encounters in any form?
Do they rate women out of 10, engage in banter,what i'd do to her ?
Do they exchange pictures ,memes that demean and degrade women?
Do they make and laugh at rape and sexist jokes?
Do they excuse rape cases as "playing devil's advocate "?
Do they impose their presence on women? Do they act like women owe them their time and attention?
Do they wolf whistle,cat call or otherwise harass women?
Do they rub themselves on women or "cop a feel" in crowded places like trains,bars,clubs etc?
Do they accept a no?
Are they still nice after that no?
Are they happy to listen and defer to a woman?
Are they equal partners in the household and as a parent?
Are they as willing to sacrifice their sleep,their free time etc?
Do they moan about being "friendzoned"?
Do they make disparaging comments about women who cross them? Slut, frigid,ball busting bitch, old witch etc.
Do they speak out when others do all of those things?
Are they nice about/to all/most women or just the one they have an interest in?

I know plenty of nice men. Not a single one has made that claim about themselves. They simply are and it shows.

Transactional niceness. Is not niceness.

How many of those above factors contributed to the crime committed in the OP?

Incidentally @TruthHertz if you were interested in learning more, male charities have huge campaigns running against toxic masculinity and suicide prevention. Most of them are about encouraging men to talk, that it’s not weak to ask for help, that the first step is communication. The links are interesting to read up on, if that’s something you’d like to know more about. Also, if you can, they always need donations.

I sound ike I'm being flippant (and I have been) but I'm not now.

I genuinely, and I mean this, would have to look at each crime on a case by case basis because I just don't think it's that black and white.

The OP might've mentioned a specific case in the OP, but she also asked about endless violence from males and boys towards women and girls.

People want to discuss this in a general sense, not dissect that specific case like you are determined to do and thus detracting.

Let's not try and shoehorn violence into male suicide, please. They were and are real people.

Explain to me again why I am detracting because I'm referring directly to the question asked by the OP?

But you agreed that male violence is a problem in society? So surely there’s a common factor in every crime involving male violence, of which there are lots?

So why, when male domestic abuse or male rape (and yes, I'm using that word) is used on here, why is it diminished?

Surely you can see this whole thread is filled with messages diminishing female victims?
It’s not only male victims who are ignored.

Men can be and are victims.
I don’t think anyone denies that.
But male victims, just like women, are overwhelmingly hurt by men.

Why is that denied?
It diesn’t help anyone.

Of course they dont want to discuss the original case, because that would mean many of the posts above (such as yours) wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because none of those things are in any way related to the 14 year old doing the killing.

It is violence though. Male suicide charities are very, very clear on this. There’s a link between male violence and male suicide, and denying that just means more men die.

I'm certainly not diminishing female victims.

Part of the reason I am so strong about this is because women are continuing to die while we are continuing to idly talk shite.

If you want to realy tackle the issue, you have to look at the whole picture - men and women have to work together.

How many of those above factors contributed to the crime committed in the OP?
They contribute to how men view women which In turn influences how they treat women (and other men)
This also has an impact on how we raise our children. Therefore the cycle continues.

The thread is looking at more than the specific case highlighted and is looking at male violence against women in general.

I'm interested in discussing the endemic of male violence towards women and if it will ever end, and that alone.

You are tying yourself in knots and it's getting tiring reading your posts.

Don't read them then.

If your argument was compelling, youd be able to connect the case above with your argument. You can't, proving that its not that simple.

Ah I thought this was referring to that one. Jesus that there is another.