To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

We need to not make it into a fight between vegans and people that need gluten free products. The market exists for both, neither should begrudge the other. But I do believe we should be trying to feed the world whilst doing the least harm to the planet and without exploiting animals.

The dairy ice-cream does not say 'may contain gluten' nor does it say 'gluten free'
So one could surmise that they have changed processes in the factory and have to earn back 'gluten free'

As dairy protien allergy person, it is nice to see an extension of dairy free ranges, shame about the soya ingredients.

But if the vegan alternatives are being made with ingredients that are dangerous for celiacs, then all you're doing is encouraging them to consume the non vegan ones instead - you're increasing the demand for gluten free animal based products.

I used to eat beanburgers in preference to beef or chicken burgers around once a fortnight. I've just searched on Sainsbury's for gluten free burger - and picked Bird's Eye Meat Free Burgers. The ingredients include Barley and Oats. Three of the burgers returned on the gluten free search contain wheat, wheat gluten, barley or oats. And they're the ones with accurate ingredients listed. Even the absence of a warning that something may contain gluten/gliadin/barley now means that it cantt be trusted.

It's going to be a stuff that, I'm buying half a kilo of roughly minced cow and cooking it myself. Because bits of dead animal are gluten free. Probably add a fried egg on top, too. They're gluten free, too.

@NeverDropYourMooncup will you be calling that a lifestyle choice?

Only 0.3% of the population is diagnosed coeliac. To be blunt, the vegan market is bigger.

Companies exist to make a profit 🤷

But if the vegan alternatives are being made with ingredients that are dangerous for celiacs, then all you're doing is encouraging them to consume the non vegan ones instead - you're increasing the demand for gluten free animal based products.

But many meat eaters, that are not celiacs will buy the vegan burger. There is clearly a growing market for vegan products that companies feel is making them more money than providing for celiacs, and the current drive to ‘save the planet’ won’t be going away ever. The answer isn’t to not make vegan products, it’s to ensure that celiacs can get products that are also plant based, IMO.

What - being hungry and wanting to eat food that doesn't shorten my lifespan?

I'd rather have the choice to not always eat the dead animal. But if that choice isn't there, well, I'm not going to starve myself to prove a point.

If we look at Veganism as being on a par with religious conviction, it might be worth noting that the major religions such as Islam and Judaism provide for occurrences where an approved type of food is not available. The saving of life takes precedence.

eat food that doesn't shorten my lifespan?

Sorry but that's debatable considering what we know about the links to cancer and inflammation from eating dairy and meat.

Absolutely. Vegetarian diets on average give people seven extra years of life and vegan diets, fifteen.

@NeverDropYourMooncup Making your own beanburger is incredibly easy, they're delicious, and they're both ethical and healthy.

I'm sure they are. However, when I've come in from 15 hours at work, it's DP's job to do the cooking and I'm not about to start dictating to him that he does more than squish mince into a burger shape, cooks it, puts in on a plate and then adds salad. If nothing else, I'm too damn tired and hungry to wait whilst he tries.

On a positive note, the Sainsburys bean burger appears to be gluten free. If it's available in one of the three Sainsburys within a three mile radius (not including the one that deliveries come from, as they don't appear to stock any gluten free stuff ever, going by previous deliveries), I'll get them. And if they're not in stock, it'll be mince as usual.

Eating gluten, even if accidentally, shortens it.

Literalism about food is just silly

Correct labelling is now called 'literalism'? Blimey!

But many meat eaters, that are not celiacs will buy the vegan burger

Most meat eaters will choose a beef burger over a vegan one if both options were available actually

Sorry but that's debatable considering what we know about the links to cancer and inflammation from eating dairy and meat

Humans in most areas have evolved eating meat (and dairy). Are you suggesting vegans don't get cancer or inflammation?

We need to not make it into a fight between vegans and people that need gluten free products

Well, in this example it does appear to be one or the other

@NeverDropYourMooncup If he can squish meat mince, he can squish beans.

@successstories I'm beginning to think you did actually intend your thread to be a vegan bash. Either that or you are becoming way too emotional over ice cream.

So do you normally complain about peanut 'butter'? Spotted dick?

Look it up. No one is guaranteed; anyone can get cancer. But veganism stacks the deck in your favour.

Actually, we are seeing that people are eating less meat, even if they eat meat. People that eat meat are choosing vegetarian and vegan options for both health and ethical reasons sometimes. As well as obviously the number of people becoming vegan/vegetarian is increasing.

Humans in most areas have evolved eating meat (and dairy). Are you suggesting vegans don't get cancer or inflammation?

Studies show vegetarians and vegans have lower cancer rates.

Well, in this example it does appear to be one or the other

I don’t think it needs to be an argument between vegans and celiacs. This constant need for division is unhelpful. As a vegan, I don’t want you to struggle to find foods. My ideal would be for all food to be plant based and all medical conditions and allergies to be available within those plant based foods. To save the planet and be kind to animals, we have to try to achieve plant based eating. And we of course must make sure that everyone can eat healthily and safely within that. No hatred required, we can respect people, animals and the planet.

What @LoveInSlowMotion said 👏🏻

I've never eaten their products and am not a vegan, but inclined to say yanbu if they started off doing dairy ice cream. It's up to them of course, and they will know if there is a big enough gap in the vegan market for them to specialise in this (I've noticed Ben and Jerry's now do quite a lot of vegan). But, the main draw of ice cream is to use real dairy cream, and I thought Jude's used this in their marketing.
It used to annoy me when looking for gluten free products that a lot of companies made their products both gluten free and dairy free, so the worst of everything in many cases eg gluten free pizza with vegan 'cheese' on top.

I hope that wasn’t the case but there have been a lot of vegan bashing threads on here. One got deleted not long ago. I hope it’s just a case of OP being fed up that her favourite ice cream is no longer available to her. My friend is celiac and my daughter has an allergy so I know it can be disappointing when one of your safe foods is no longer ok and I understand the difficulty of living on a medically restricted diet. I don’t see any need for blaming vegans or trying to make a them versus us thing.

As a vegan who is also coeliac, I’m not sure which side of the argument I’m on here