To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

[successstories]

Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

My ideal would be for all food to be plant based and all medical conditions and allergies to be available within those plant based foods

Exactly, it's your ideal and your opinion (probably shared by most vegans and most likely pushing companies to make unwise decisions).

To save the planet and be kind to animals, we have to try to achieve plant based eating

Most people don't want to achieve 'plant based eating'. You (and other posters in these types of threads) seem to be saying 'we' a lot, as if everyone agreed with this philosophy. Who is 'we'? Most people clearly don't want to eat only plants as they don't think they provide enough nutrition (medical conditions or not) or they simply don't want to.

probably shared by most vegans and most likely pushing companies to make unwise decisions

Sorry but you're just getting silly now.

You could turn your argument @successstories on it's head. For years us vegans who don't have a problem with gluten have had to put up with 'free from' food that ticks all the boxes, GF, nut free, dairy free, taste free....

My ideal would be for all food to be plant based and all medical conditions and allergies to be available within those plant based foods

Your ideal might be but having a stomach that doesn't tolerate beans, lentils, mushrooms, too many veg and hardly any fruit I'll crack on with eating meat thank you. I don't fancy constant pain and upset stomachs or living on potatoes for the rest of my days.

It's so frustrating being gluten free at the moment. Our ranges get smaller and smaller as the vegan trend grows.

Nothing against vegans, I used to be one years ago, but it IS a choice, whereas being GF isn't for the vast majority of us.

Also, just to clarify - is the deal that it now says it’s made in a factory which also handles gluten?

because I would eat that, and so would my mum who is also coeliac and hasn’t eaten gluten in 25 years. I was only diagnosed less than a year ago so I would appreciate if I was being a bit naive about it but we both eat things like Cadbury’s which say “may contain wheat” and we’re both always fine. Of course, while it might not produce outward symptoms you never know if it’s doing internal damage etc etc and I wouldn’t expect another coeliac to do the same.

however, of all the things I find I can’t eat, I’ve cream isn’t one of them. I feel like there’s loads of gluten free dairy ice cream?!

being coeliac is shit, and it’s annoying when people are like “meat also gives you cancer!!” obviously I’m vegan, I don’t eat animal products so it’s not even like I disagree but it just rubs me up the wrong way when being coeliac is an actual condition that you can’t choose and that can make you severely ill long term if you don’t know you have it.

Why would anyone want to kill/exploit animals if we don’t have to? 🤷🏻‍♀️ My partner eats meat, he loves animals and would like to eat plant based full time. However, he freely admits that for him, eating fully plant based is too hard and not convenient enough....yet ! I hear this a lot from people whilst campaigning.

If we can get to the stage where we can cater to medical issues, food tastes good and is nutritious, whilst minimising our hurt to animals and the planet, why would that not be a good thing? Why would we continue to think that we have the right to hurt animals? Because we want ice cream made with cows milk???....that just doesn’t justify it to me and to an increasing number of people are starting to think the same.

@LoveInSlowMotion I think the answer to that is because people think their taste buds are more important.

I imagine it would shock some posters on here when I say that I'd still eat vegan even if it was detrimental to my own health. But then I don't rate humans that highly.

As it turned out, going vegan put an end to a long term health condition I had that I thought 'was just the way I am' so win, win.

Also, just to clarify - is the deal that it now says it’s made in a factory which also handles gluten? because I would eat that, and so would my mum who is also coeliac and hasn’t eaten gluten in 25 years

I'm not a medical professional, but the consensus is that only if it's labelled as 'gluten free' or within the list held by Coeliac UK you can be sure that it's safe to eat

Usually they add a disclaimer saying that it's been made in a factory that also handles gluten because they cannot guarantee that it hasn't been cross contaminated

I imagine it would shock some posters on here when I say that I'd still eat vegan even if it was detrimental to my own health

Yes, this is utter madness

I don’t think it’s madness. To me, eating animal products is madness. Morally, I have no right to end an animals life because physically I am capable.

If my partner was told he could be healthier by eating dog meat, he wouldn’t do it. I doubt many people would. To me, cows, pigs, chicken, they’re no different.

Yes, this is utter madness

I wouldn't expect you to understand why someone would prioritise the planet and animals over your ice cream emotional breakdown.

Fair enough, I guess it’s one of those things where realistically the risk of cross contamination is very low so probably not worth getting angry over. If it actively contained wheat I’d get it. But again, maybe I’m just being blasé about it - although I literally check everything and never eat anything I’m not sure of, I just personally think in this situation odds are it’s ok

If we can get to the stage where we can cater to medical issues, food tastes good and is nutritious, whilst minimising our hurt to animals and the planet, why would that not be a good thing?

We are not there yet, and the jury is out on whether this will ever be achieved. Why start withdrawing options and foods now as if human lives didn't matter?

FWIW, your ideal most likely involves pumping some man-made concoctions full of artificially produced supplements. Many people due to various reasons cannot absorb them properly, what's your solution then? Let those people starve as animals are obviously more important?

I’ll have to take your word for it because I have not encountered a single “vegan” product that did not also list cross contact for milk or eggs. Perhaps there are some out there but this ice cream isn’t one of them, apparently.

@beautifulworldwhereareyou I think the majority of people see it the way you do.

You conveniently missed the rest of my post off, where I said about making sure everyone can eat safely and healthily. IF there are people who can not eat a plant based diet, this will be a small percentage, then there would be an argument for farming a small number of animals in a much, much more humane way than we do at the moment. Not intensively and given better lives.

@Lily452 the easiest way to find those is finding vegan companies and avoiding mainstream. But I think it's important vegans buy from all to encourage the positive changes big brands are making.

They objectively do provide enough nutrition. Look it up if you're in doubt of this.

Are you a coeliac PoseyFlump?

Are you a vegan @successstories?

They objectively do provide enough nutrition. Look it up if you're in doubt of this

I don't need to look it up. I go by my regular labs which indicate that I wouldn't be getting sufficient nutrition from a plant based diet. And it's likely I'm not the only one

Animal products are also supplemented.

It's quite irresponsible to be give advice to a coeliac if you are not familiar with the condition PoseyFlump and casually saying what 'the majority' would do when you probably have no idea

This is anecdote. I am referring to the recommendations of major dietetics and nutrition associations. Plant based eating is an approved diet for people of all ages. There may perhaps be incredibly rare individual exceptions, but that doesn't counter the evidence.