To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

Yes, but they are using them in the dairy ice cream. So given that that's the case, blaming the plant based ice cream is a total red herring.

Sorry, that wasn't at you, Posey!

@Innocenta you have the patience of a saint 😇 and you're fast becoming my favourite vegan ❤️

Right back atcha, @PoseyFlump !

And I couldn't give a monkey's toot about Jude's ice cream it's not available where I am, I've never seen it in a shop, and have never tried it. Though I do know now that it's not likely to be suitable for my family so will avoid it.

I'm just here to lament the disappearance of GF foods to make way for other dietary requirements, and I'd like to see GF options become more mainstream.

Who knows perhaps they will in the coming years as the Ukraine situation fully impacts the world wheat supply.

On the upside, I just looked up the ice cream company I moaned about earlier to check which of their ice creams are still GF and discovered that their ice cream cones are GF too. I never bothered to pick them up to check because the main allergen label on them (big coloured band so most visible bit of packaging) either said vegan or lactose free but now I know they are also GF and so I'm going to giving them a try. I'll let DD try the vegan one (pistachio flavour) as she doesn't seem to even notice the difference between dairy and non-dairy ice cream.

Isn't the vegan ice cream and the dairy ice cream made and packaged at the same factory? If yes it can potentially cross contaminate every line and render any of the products inedible to a coeliac.

Though the oat paste in the vegan ice cream would do that for my family anyway whether they were certified GF oats or not.

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🤣This!

The majority of vegan food and vegan recipes I've looked at contain many of the things I can't eat. That's not being defeatist, it's fact. I've said before, even if I cut down on meat I would not become vegan as I'm not willing to give up cheese or ice cream for so vegetarian would be the most I could manage.

However being veggie wouldn't square with the rest of my life, wearing leather shoes and jacket, having a leather sofa, leather seats in the car (I couldn't even have my current car without leather seats). I wouldn't be in a position to replace anything so surely it'd be hypocritical to sit on my leather sofa eating my veggie dinner. That's not meant to be goady, just how I see it.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat everyone sees it differently but my opinion is that sending leather goods bought prior going vegetarian or vegan to landfill is not going to bring the cow back or help the planet. It's a commitment to purchase differently in the future and wear out or donate what you currently have.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat You can stop buying leather. You can use vegan items in every area of your life other than food if you truly believe you can't eat plant based.

@OhLordyWhatNow The oats in the vegan ice cream aren't relevant when there are multiple flavours of the dairy ice cream (the one OP and the other vegan haters want to eat) which contain wheat flour.

Think of it like this:

If an ice cream company makes Dairy Vanilla, Dairy Chocolate and Dairy Strawberry, and then they add Plant Based Vanilla, but the plant based recipe has oats (the only gluten containing ingredient in the factory), you can reasonably argue that it's because of the plant based option that the dairy options are no longer gf.

But if they make Dairy Cookie Dough Flavour and Dairy Choc Brownie flavour, and then introduce Plant Based Vanilla, it doesn't matter than there are oats in the plant based recipe. There is wheat flour in the cookie dough and in the brownie. That is the gluten risk anyway. The plant based flavours could come and go, and the gluten free status would still be compromised.

*that there are

(Not 'than')

Cripes I dread to think what the other vegans you have met are like!

OP I can see why it's frustrating, it's not really the fault of their dairy free offerings though, more just that unfortunately if not being able to assure it's gluten free is cheaper they will choose that route to make ££. No company cares about their consumers really, just their money.

Care to say it to me directly, @Shoebie?

Sure, you seem judgemental and pretty rude- typical of the vegan stereotype but thankfully not of vegans I've met in real life 😀

@Shoebie I think everyone has a right to judge on ethical matters. Are you saying that you feel it's appropriate to remain neutral on everything? Even if you believe, heart and soul, that a great wrong is being committed? That seems a morally arid way to live, in my view.

Is it not quite judgemental to label someone judgemental?

@Shoebie I've not seen @Innocenta be judgemental at all on this thread (and I've read it all) if you want judgemental you should filter the OPs posts and read those.

Perhaps you could point out exactly which post you are referring to?

On a thread about someone saying about gluten free ice cream not being as readily available anymore? No not really. I have my values and live by them, but on an anon message board I don't feel the need to insert those views uninvited, no.

That's interesting @PoseyFlump and I completely agree, although I've seen other people saying it should be disposed of. To be honest we've only got the leather sofa as the cat would wreck a fabric one! I'm on holiday at the moment and love the squishy fabric sofa here but know it would be shredded at home!

@Innocenta I don't 'believe' I can't go plant based, I know. Please understand that I know my digestive system better than you ever will! I admire you for being vegan with your health issues but I'll carry on putting my own issues first and I make no apologies for that.

No sorry @PinkSparklyPussyCat you don't know your own body and diet limitations better than @Innocenta.

But Jude's vegan ice cream is made with oat paste so for me your argument is irrelevant.

Oat paste is not suitable for some coeliacs whether it's made with GF oats or not.

Please try reading to comprehend rather than just blurt out an answer. I'm finding you fairly combative and you haven't appeared to understand what I am saying.

@Shoebie This thread was created by OP to attack vegans and blame us inappropriately (and inaccurately!) for unavailability of a food option. Despite the fact that many of us also have medical dietary restrictions and would strongly support access to good gf choices.

Once veganism is scapegoated, as it is in this thread, we are entitled to defend it, and to highlight all the ethical issues involved. Including the vast animal suffering caused by agricultural exploitation, and the possibly irreversible damage to our fragile planet.

@OhLordyWhatNow But OP doesn't want to eat the vegan ice cream. She wants to eat the dairy ice cream, that is the entire point of the thread.

You are the one being oddly combative. I have read every single post and gone over the Judd's website. I doubt, from your comments, that you have, since you don't seem to understand what OP was complaining about or why it was an inappropriate complaint.