To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

...yes. I've eaten loads of burgers not labelled as 'vegan burgers', going back to literally the age of about five.

How did you know it was a vegan burger?

I have looked into it extensively, and unless I substituted real food with multivitamins and forced calories in through meal substitutes I wouldn't be able to have a balanced diet. Im not saying people can't with multiple intolerances and much respect for them- but seen as though the main foods are out of bounds then not sure what these mysterious foods are. I don't eat any dairy.

Have you seen any vegan ice cream that hasn't had, in obvious writing on the front, the words 'vegan' or 'non-dairy' or 'plant-based' or similar, to make it clear?

Because I haven't.

@Dinoclaw I don't have 'multiple intolerances', lol. I have life threatening allergies. I've gone into anaphylaxis; I carry epipens. I have serious gastrointestinal conditions that I'm under multiple tertiary care consultants for. Multiple hospitalisations, etc.

Your assumption that anyone who does manage to be vegan just has some minor intolerances is... very, very wrong.

Beanburger.

Falafel burger.

Chickpea burger.

Lentil burger.

Tofu burger.

Nut burger.

Seitan burger.

Etc. (Before random people start complaining that they couldn't eat these - I can't eat most of them anymore either. thanks, body!)

That’s exactly my point. You can’t juat label vegan/dairy free ice cream as just ice cream without the qualifying words. A previous poster was arguing against this.

So not just “burger” then. When I said you can’t call dairy free ice cream “ice cream” and you need to qualify it with “dairy free” (or similar) you argued against it and said language changes.

I didn't make that assumption, I have intolerances and was talking about myself and didn't mention allergies. I also said previously I have a lot of respect for people who are vegan despite already having limited diets, so not sure why you're being defensive and quite frankly an ass about it. Seems you're one of those who give vegans a bad name by being preachy. Of course probably to deflect from actually giving any suggestions of foods!

No, but it's a serious medical condition nonetheless.

Unlike veganism, which for the overwhelming majority of vegans is a CHOICE

@Dinoclaw I'm not trying to deflect from giving suggestions of food. It's a lot of work to go over someone's full diet and all their needs with them, so I'm not planning to do it with someone who has explicitly said they have no intention of even trying to eat plant based. How is that a deflection? I've been 100% open about it.

@LadyMonicaBaddingham It isn't an either/or. There's no need to create some weird competition. Vegans can have as many, and as serious, medical dietary needs as people with coeliac disease. The goal should be to accommodate everyone while causing the least harm.

@NewPapaGuinea But the reality is that language does change. You don't have to like that! But it's a property of English. If I was offering ice cream, at my place, to an omni guest, I might qualify it by saying 'vegan' if I didn't know their dietary needs already. To ensure they knew it wouldn't be 'typical' dairy ice cream. Most of my omni friends eat plant based a lot, though, and I wouldn't necessarily mention it. Maybe, maybe not. I do normally ask about any changes to dietary needs if we are feeding anyone, so new restrictions would come up at that point.

In my own family where three of us only eat vegan ice cream, I don't call it 'vegan ice cream' because the qualification is redundant. Why would I say 'vegan ice cream' to my partner, when she's also vegan? I just say 'ice cream'. We both know it's vegan.

When we first started finding vegan ice cream products, we focused more on being excited at their veganness. Now it's become more normal and we are more likely to just refer to 'ice cream' in day to day life. Over time, more vegans will likely feel similarly and will just say 'ice cream' (meaning vegan ice cream with no dairy).

That's how language usage works.

@LadyMonicaBaddingham

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*Oh and coeliacs disease is not an allergy."
No, but it's a serious medical condition nonetheless.

Unlike veganism, which for the overwhelming majority of vegans is a CHOICE*

Not quite sure why you're having a pop at me. I'm well aware that Coeliacs is an autoimmune condition and all its consequences.

I'm concerned about the diminishing supply of GF options to make way for vegan options on the shelves. I don't believe this is the fault of vegans, it's the fault of the retailers and in this case kiosk and coffee shop owners.

There is room for both GF and vegan and more should be done to accommodate this rather than what is currently happening.

I'd happily see a smaller range of non GF foods to make way for more GF and vegan options but retailers don't appear keen, the question is why?

I'd happily see a smaller range of non GF foods to make way for more GF and vegan options but retailers don't appear keen, the question is why?

Because they know what the demand for GF, non-GF and vegan food is, and stock their shelves accordingly. They want to maximise the profits they can make using the space they have available.

Yes, it was a hypothetical question. It's always about profit.

It's also the reason why the OP can't get a GF ice cream in her local cafe. They have limited freezer space and have considered that vegan ice cream may have a wider appeal and sell more than GF so have stopped stocking it.

It's a bit shit but there you are.

It's left the OP having to find a new cafe to visit and the cafe with a potential loss of custom and only time will tell how it affects their profits.

If the OP was a regular visitor and took her children for ice cream whilst herself and partner had coffee and cake it may well have an impact, especially if they used the cafe to meet friends.

Well I don't recommend you try it, it was sickly and horrid, couldn't finish it (and that is quite something, as usually no matter how much I dislike something I'll finish eating it if I've paid for it!). Admittedly I did enjoy Swedish Glace soya ice cream (pear flavour) when I was young, so there must be some good non-dairy ice creams but all the ones I've tried in the last few years have been horrid, even the 3 Kaveria one (they make the most amazing dairy ice creams, including a GF gingerbread one, so it was so surprising that the vegan one I tried was so bad)

The issue isn't GF v Vegan, it that Non GF/ Vegan isn't budging up to make way for increasing numbers in different ways of eating.

But the ice cream in question (1) doesn't actually contain gluten (2) is not specifically non gluten free because of vegans. The wheat flour is found in other flavours of dairy ice cream from the same brand.

"1st carbon negative ice cream company"

I'd like to see how they back up this claim. There are very few bona fide carbon capture and storage schemes, everything else amounts to greenwashing.

*Innocenta

But the ice cream in question (1) doesn't actually contain gluten (2) is not specifically non gluten free because of vegans. The wheat flour is found in other flavours of dairy ice cream from the same brand.*

1. how do you know what is available locally for the OP? The OP has said Oat paste used in the vegan ice cream is not suitable, and the manufacturer no longer uses the GF symbol which also may mean the oats used are cross contaminated making it unsuitable for any Coeliacs that can tolerate oats. (I wouldn't take the risk.)

2. nobody had said this. What has been said is the retailers are providing fewer GF options for coeliacs as they increase vegan ranges. This is the fault of the retailers nobody else. And... wheat is not the only grain that affects coeliacs.

We are all talking about a specific ice cream. The ice cream has lost formal gluten free status, yes. It has not had gluten added. The ingredients do not actually include gluten. There are other (dairy) flavours that do, in the form of wheat flour.

The plant based ice creams are a red herring.

If they are using wheat containing ingredients in the factory there is a chance of cross contamination, this may be why they have lost their GF certification.

Hhmm yeah. Think someone said that 400 posts ago.