To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

Must not have tried it. You can't taste the difference.

Also tastes so much better knowing that an animal hasn't been tortured and it is so much better for the environment.

Standing in for Posey: It’s an ice cream that actually still does not contain gluten.

Also, you ignored my post that mentioned the multiple dairy flavours containing wheat flour. Somehow it just has to be the fault of vegans...

@MarvellousMonsters Eating animal products is unethical. It's also unhealthy, fundamentally bad for the body, and not necessarily something you can choose to reverse if you don't consume them. Your assumptions are very narrow minded, I'm afraid, and also show a limited understanding of the umpteen other medical conditions out there which are not coeliac disease.

No, it doesn't. Veganism is an ethical issue. Some vegans may see it as an ethical choice made on a purely personal level, and I'm not saying that perception is invalid; it certainly makes life easier. But many feel similarly to me, ie that there is a clear right and wrong here. It's like saying we should respect both sides of the argument on, I don't know, slavery.

This is an issue where I don't agree that the 'opposing' view deserves equal respect. It's morally unsound and it leads to vast (and largely avoidable) suffering.

When it's served with things other than ice cream. Wafers, Cadbury 99 flakes, cones, sprinkles, brownies, oats, plus many more.

Many brands aren't gluten free due to being made in a factory that uses gluten-containing products. Ones such as pavlova, smarties, Mars etc have gluten in.

Buying from a kiosk or van that uses scoops or poor hygiene renders ice creams contaminated with gluten therefore not gluten free.

It's rubbish for people with coeliac disease, non-coeliac gluten intolerance, gluten ataxia (serious brain disease caused by gluten) , gluten dermatitis and certain eyes disorders, sometimes serious enough to be rendered registered blind.

It is 'so yesterday' isn't it. I 🤐

I don't think Jude's have stopped making dairy ice cream.

Maybe the shop you buy it from has stopped stocking it though, in favour of the vegan one. That's not Jude's fault.

Oh I see from a later post that the dairy ones are no longer gluten free. That's a different issue.

Maybe it is, but many are no longer gluten free. That was what the OP was discussing.

But the reason for this is unlikely to have anything to do with veganism. There are multiple dairy flavours containing wheat flour: this is surely the closest, most likely source of gluten contamination? So OP is just choosing to blame vegans.

It’s an ice cream that actually still does not contain gluten.

The daily rags will pick this story up.

"Mumsnetters think ice cream is more important than the planet".

Next time I'm missing a payment on my bank statement I won't bother calling my bank. I'll just post on MN and blame the vegans.

While its great the vegan options are improving, I really wish it wouldn't happen at the expense of gluten free options. In all the shops around me, as the vegan range increases, the GF range decreases. And worse of all is when they combine GF and vegan in things like ice cream (looking at the GF cornettos - all I want is an ice cream in a cone with a nice chocolate bottom but nope, tastes like shit because vegan ice cream) and other normally dairy based products. I'm sure most vegans don't appreciate the forced combination either.

@Natsku Vegan ice cream doesn't taste 'like shit'. It's delicious, more ethical, and better for your body.

I already buy my meat from a local organic butcher, I don't drink milk as I don't like it although I do have dairy in ice cream or cheese (hell will freeze over before I eat vegan cheese!). If my digestive system was more normal I might consider going veggie but not vegan, however it isn't so I can't.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat local and organic makes little to no difference, I'm afraid.

Many people with gastrointestinal disorders are vegan!

The sad reality is that vegan foods make more money than gluten free foods and they are businesses who want to turn a profit so prioritise these. In this case though as the gluten free options were in the dairy ones which are still being produced I'm not sure the decision is down to them expanding their dairy free range? Seems the issue is not much choice for those with allergies and intolerances rather than them providing animal free choices, pitting 2 groups against each other rather than everyone putting pressure on the companies isn't going to achieve much.

Good for them, I don't want to feel permanently ill. I would imagine no beans, lentils, chickpeas, limited veg and hardly any fruit would make a vegan diet a bit tricky. As I said I'm not prepared to make myself ill while I try and find out what I can and can't eat.

As well as thatI'm not giving up proper ice cream and cheese for anyone!

I am the same, I would like to be vegan for ethical reasons but my digestive issues mean lots of the staples like pulses, veg, and most fruits would absolutely destroy me! Like you I just try and make better choices about where I buy stuff, I know it doesn't mitigate everything but I do think everyone doing what they can/want to is probably more impactful overall than everyone aiming to give up everything as most then wouldn't bother trying.

I make my own ice cream at home and it doesn’t contain any gluten unless it’s got cookie dough or similar gluten containing ingredients added to it. Thinking therefore it might be a commercial issue?

Does the maker have to pay extra for certified gluten free ingredients, then to get the gluten levels checked in the finished products? Then the cost might be prohibitive if there are not enough customers still willing to pay a premium. I hoped that the increased GF options that arose when GF was fashionable would stick around for people who really need them, but it sounds as though that isn’t the case.

The company have probably found that the vegan range sells well but they need a reasonable selection of vegan flavors to keep customers interested in the products. And they can’t be specialists in everything so have chosen to change their focus.

I would look for other options or consider getting an ice cream maker. I got mine from John Lewis. An investment but the ice cream you can make with it is sublime and not expensive.

As for vegan ice cream being called ice cream - are you also annoyed at the lack of mince in mince pies, or the lack of butter in peanut butter? It's a clear name and everyone instantly has a decent idea of what they're getting

If you could get mince pies with mince and peanut butter with butter then I get your point. However, you can’t so the analogy doesn’t work. Ice cream without a typical ingredient isn’t ice cream. Should be named Dairy-free ice cream or similar.

@Dinoclaw and @PinkSparklyPussyCat Frankly I think it's a bit of a defeatist and avoidant attitude. Both of you have only mentioned a small number of vegan foods, and there are many, many others. I am speaking as someone who is vegan while dealing with multiple serious gastrointestinal conditions and allergies myself, so by no means an ignorant healthy person. I know that people with medical restrictions can be vegan.

...But it is ice cream. The meanings of words change and expand with time: that's how the English language works, and always has worked.

I'm sure many do, yes. Personally I don't care if its selfish I don't want to live off of a very very restricted diet (more so than it is already) or be shitting through the eye of the storm every 5 minutes and in agony. I am intrigued though, I can't tolerate any pulses, a fair amount of grains, a range of fruit and veg or soya- my diet really is basically bland, boring and basic. What wonderful foods should I be having that will provide me with sufficient calories and nutrition?

I'm sure most vegans don't appreciate the forced combination either

They probably like it even less than you do.

I would much rather have vegan alternative to ice cream than a gluten-free alternative to the cone. Vegan ice cream is generally very good (although I haven't tried a vegan Cornetto).

I do feel for people with coeliac disease, as gluten free versions of most things that ordinarily contain gluten are often adequate at best, and are so much more expensive. And grabbing a quick sandwich for lunch must be difficult - I've certainly not seen them, but there are usually at least two vegan options.

Would you be happy to eat a “burger” that was actually a vegan burger but not named as such?

When you have an ice cream, the expectation is it’s dairy. Blurring the lines helps no one.

@Dinoclaw If you actually had any interest in plant-based eating I'd happily try to help you figure it out, but since you've clearly decided you're not interested, I'm not sure why you're asking! As with anyone who has restrictions, it would depend on what your problems are, why, what you can tolerate, and umpteen other factors.