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Original poster

To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

566 replies

successstories · 30/04/2022 23:35

Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

OP posts:
PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:26

Let's play vegan bingo. Where do you get your protein from Grin

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:27

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:25

It's quite irresponsible to be give advice to a coeliac if you are not familiar with the condition PoseyFlump and casually saying what 'the majority' would do when you probably have no idea

Nobody has suggested that anyone with any dietary restriction cease to do the obvious: read all packaging closely.

SilverSplitsTheBlue · 01/05/2022 19:27

PoseyFlump Bacon tho

PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:28

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:25

It's quite irresponsible to be give advice to a coeliac if you are not familiar with the condition PoseyFlump and casually saying what 'the majority' would do when you probably have no idea

What advice have I given to coeliacs??

Original poster
successstories · 01/05/2022 19:28

I am referring to the recommendations of major dietetics and nutrition associations

I'd rather go by my lab results, and I would advise others to do the same

OP posts:
PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:28

SilverSplitsTheBlue · 01/05/2022 19:27

PoseyFlump Bacon tho

😂😂

beautifulworldwhereareyou · 01/05/2022 19:29

@successstories I absolutely get why you wouldn’t want to be vegan - my diet is super restricted both voluntarily and non voluntarily but I also live in a city where there’s a ton of vegan food (not so much gluten free but sometimes it overlaps)!

The fact is, though, that in general a large scale move towards a plant based diet would be hugely beneficial to the environment. Even if you can’t do that yourself (I would actually not ever expect someone who is coeliac to also be vegan), I don’t understand why you wouldn’t think it was overall a positive thing.

Cattle ranching is so awful - it’s responsible for like 80% of deforestation in the Amazon rainforest. That said, soy plantations are shocking for deforestation so there’s no easy answers and being vegan you still have to make choices! I just don’t see why anyone would be against a move to a more plant based diet. Maybe I’ve misinterpreted your responses.

LoveInSlowMotion · 01/05/2022 19:29

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:14

If we can get to the stage where we can cater to medical issues, food tastes good and is nutritious, whilst minimising our hurt to animals and the planet, why would that not be a good thing?

We are not there yet, and the jury is out on whether this will ever be achieved. Why start withdrawing options and foods now as if human lives didn't matter?

FWIW, your ideal most likely involves pumping some man-made concoctions full of artificially produced supplements. Many people due to various reasons cannot absorb them properly, what's your solution then? Let those people starve as animals are obviously more important?

There’s no reason to think it won’t be achieved.

I think you could learn something from the vegans you seem to dislike so much. They have campaigned and raised awareness and approached food companies which has resulted in more vegan products being available.

See my previous post for those people that genuinely can’t eat plant based. I’ve not said anyone should starve. You are getting increasingly angry but you will see, if you look back on my posts, I’m not. Loving animals doesn’t mean I hate humans. In terms of diet, if we can eat without hurting them as well as minimising damage to the planet, that’s a good thing.

PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:30

I'd rather go by my lab results, and I would advise others to do the same

Ask them how essential ice cream is for you if you're insinuating I've given coeliacs advice.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:31

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 01/05/2022 18:45

My ideal would be for all food to be plant based and all medical conditions and allergies to be available within those plant based foods

Your ideal might be but having a stomach that doesn't tolerate beans, lentils, mushrooms, too many veg and hardly any fruit I'll crack on with eating meat thank you. I don't fancy constant pain and upset stomachs or living on potatoes for the rest of my days.

Loads of vegans have gastrointestinal conditions and manage absolutely fine. Meat is actually a very difficult food to digest. As I mentioned upthread, I have three separate GI conditions, two allergy based syndromes and umpteen individual allergies. My health is a mess, for mostly genetic reasons. Still eat whole food plant based and appreciate the fact that I'm not causing harm by what I do/eat.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:32

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:28

I am referring to the recommendations of major dietetics and nutrition associations

I'd rather go by my lab results, and I would advise others to do the same

You're being incredibly ignorant, frankly. Refusing to look at evidence... you sound like an antivaxxer or something. Hmm You probably just eat badly in general.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:33

@LoveInSlowMotion You've put it better than I could! And the fact that OP is just as hostile and unreasonable to you as to other vegans proves that she always just intended this as an anti vegan thread.

Original poster
successstories · 01/05/2022 19:34

IF there are people who can not eat a plant based diet, this will be a small percentage, then there would be an argument for farming a small number of animals in a much, much more humane way than we do at the moment. Not intensively and given better lives

And who would dictate who could get access to this precious resource? There's so much wrong with this that I can't even start to articulate a response

OP posts:
Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:34

@beautifulworldwhereareyou Most soy is fed to animals being farmed for meat.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:36

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:34

IF there are people who can not eat a plant based diet, this will be a small percentage, then there would be an argument for farming a small number of animals in a much, much more humane way than we do at the moment. Not intensively and given better lives

And who would dictate who could get access to this precious resource? There's so much wrong with this that I can't even start to articulate a response

Lab grown meat is the future for the small % who genuinely can't eat PB/WFPB.

PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:36

Very true @Innocenta. And another vegan bingo 'if we didn't eat them we'd be over-run by farm animals'

Original poster
successstories · 01/05/2022 19:37

I think you could learn something from the vegans you seem to dislike so much. They have campaigned and raised awareness and approached food companies which has resulted in more vegan products being available

I don't dislike vegans, but their choices should not impact others.

The campaigning has resulted in options being withdrawn that's the problem

OP posts:
PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:39

The campaigning has resulted in options being withdrawn that's the problem

Name them. Other than one brand of non essential ice cream (many others available).

PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:41

I don't dislike vegans, but their choices should not impact others.

Yet meat eaters choices are impacting the planet and our lives. You are literally saying ice cream is more important!!

Original poster
successstories · 01/05/2022 19:41

You probably just eat badly in general

No, I eat a very healthy omnivore diet with plenty of animal products in order to fulfil my nutritional needs. I promise

OP posts:
PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:42

Not goady at all.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:42

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:37

I think you could learn something from the vegans you seem to dislike so much. They have campaigned and raised awareness and approached food companies which has resulted in more vegan products being available

I don't dislike vegans, but their choices should not impact others.

The campaigning has resulted in options being withdrawn that's the problem

But of course many of us want our choices to impact others! I can't imagine why you'd think we wouldn't. Some people are very 'live and let live', focusing on their own lives, and that's fine. But many of us actively want to see change, and think that the status quo is deeply unethical and damaging.

It's obviously not popular with you or on MN generally but I'd certainly like to see fewer meat and dairy products in shops/restaurants. Replacing them with vegan products is exactly what I want.

Innocenta · 01/05/2022 19:43

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:41

You probably just eat badly in general

No, I eat a very healthy omnivore diet with plenty of animal products in order to fulfil my nutritional needs. I promise

Eating animal products is fundamentally bad for your body and less ethical. You can choose to do it - I'm a stranger on the internet and I can't stop you! I'm not under any illusion that I can. But you are mistaken if you think you're eating the best possible diet.

beautifulworldwhereareyou · 01/05/2022 19:44

successstories · 01/05/2022 19:37

I think you could learn something from the vegans you seem to dislike so much. They have campaigned and raised awareness and approached food companies which has resulted in more vegan products being available

I don't dislike vegans, but their choices should not impact others.

The campaigning has resulted in options being withdrawn that's the problem

I would just urge you to look at the bigger picture.

  1. The ice cream doesn’t actually contain wheat, they just have what is essentially a disclaimer in the unlikely event there is cross contamination. It doesn’t even say “may contain”.
  2. This is one ice cream brand. There are many ice cream brands which you can safely eat as a coeliac who eats dairy.
  3. The meat and dairy industry is causing untold damage to the planet.
This particular thing you are mad about is a non-issue.

Even if vegan campaigners had directly caused this to happen, do you honestly think that this specific brand of ice cream now being made in a factory that also handles gluten outweighs the positives that have come from their efforts?

Look, I totally get how annoying it is when something that is safe no longer is. But you’re just doubling down.

PoseyFlump · 01/05/2022 19:45

I eat a very healthy omnivore diet

How much ice cream do you eat?