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Comment after oral sex (this may be TMI for some ppl)

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Limebazil · 30/04/2022 16:06

I am seeing a guy the last few weeks we are both early 30s. He seems like a nice guy, and things were going great. Last night we slept together for the first time, it was great he was very generous in bed but after he had gone down on me he said "I think you should drink more water you taste kind of strong". This was really hurtful to me, I'm sure he didn't mean it to be hurtful and maybe I'm overly sensitive but why would you say that when it is widely known that women/ girls are paranoid about how they look/ smell/ taste down there. He's not a gynaecologist so the health advice was not appreciated. He could see he had upset me and tried to back track saying "he didn't mean it like that" and "I'm crazy about you the last thing I want to do is offend you I was just trying to help" but now I'm just seeing it as a red flag. AIBU?

OP posts:
Giraffesandbottom · 01/05/2022 09:29

Just met'? She's known him for two months and they had tests before sleeping together. Nothing particularly odd about that

that information re the tests hadn’t been released at that time.

Limebazil · 01/05/2022 09:29

Addictedtohotbaths · 01/05/2022 09:07

What a vile prick. Good for you for trusting yourself.
I’m just wondering, looking back now is there anything your ignored / sensed in him prior to that event? Or did he appear pretty decent?
I’m really trying to learn to pick up on red flags and listen to them.
It’s a shame there isn’t a register for guys like this.

I'm replaying every interaction now and yes I think there were a few potential red flags that I definitely did miss.
He was quite complimentary about my appearance but a few times after he said something nice he said something not so nice afterwards. So I met him in the cinema once and he said I looked "hot" in the jeans I was wearing but then followed it by "I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?" And then he backtracked and said it was worded badly and that he's an "ass man" and was trying to pay me a compliment. I should have told him to f$%k off there and then.

OP posts:
Anonanon1234 · 01/05/2022 09:34

Limebazil · 01/05/2022 09:29

I'm replaying every interaction now and yes I think there were a few potential red flags that I definitely did miss.
He was quite complimentary about my appearance but a few times after he said something nice he said something not so nice afterwards. So I met him in the cinema once and he said I looked "hot" in the jeans I was wearing but then followed it by "I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?" And then he backtracked and said it was worded badly and that he's an "ass man" and was trying to pay me a compliment. I should have told him to f$%k off there and then.

Urgh he sounds like a complete gaslighting prick. You are well rid!! So glad you saw his true colours so soon Flowers

ldontWanna · 01/05/2022 09:47

I'm replaying every interaction now and yes I think there were a few potential red flags that I definitely did miss.
He was quite complimentary about my appearance but a few times after he said something nice he said something not so nice afterwards. So I met him in the cinema once and he said I looked "hot" in the jeans I was wearing but then followed it by "I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?" And then he backtracked and said it was worded badly and that he's an "ass man" and was trying to pay me a compliment. I should have told him to f$%k off there and then.

That's a classic negging example. Probably not the only one either, way before it got to the "you taste strong" stage.

SlightlyJaded · 01/05/2022 09:50

Limebazil · 01/05/2022 09:29

I'm replaying every interaction now and yes I think there were a few potential red flags that I definitely did miss.
He was quite complimentary about my appearance but a few times after he said something nice he said something not so nice afterwards. So I met him in the cinema once and he said I looked "hot" in the jeans I was wearing but then followed it by "I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?" And then he backtracked and said it was worded badly and that he's an "ass man" and was trying to pay me a compliment. I should have told him to f$%k off there and then.

THis is one hundred percent negging. It's toxic and dangerous because it can be so subtle.

IsabelaMadrigal · 01/05/2022 09:52

"I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?"

This is awful, but I'm glad you called him out on it.
The thing is, if you had no bum, then he'd likely say something about your confidence even though you have a 'flat' ass.
Unfortunately I had to learn the hard way that the 'nobody will love you, but me' guys are not nice guys, as I had a bunch of dick pandering friends who said, "At least he likes you in spite of xyz negging".
Heartened to see that at least 70% of Mumsnet call out negging for what it is. Shame a whole 30% are not. That's why so many women end up in abusive or horrible relationships.

IsabelaMadrigal · 01/05/2022 09:55

By the way, std tests don't pick up herpes, genital warts or the HPV virus that causes changes and cancer. Obviously assess your own risk but do bear in mind that a test at a clinic isn't a guarantee as these things are so prevalent in the population they don't test for them.

RiverSkater · 01/05/2022 10:26

@Marvellousmadness What planet are you on? You don't 'call somebody out' for tasting strong. When in fact he was tasting himself after the first time they had sex. Your bar is very low. He'd probably like you.

He then denied he said it. Wrapped up in a compliment, which he had form for.

Addictedtohotbaths · 01/05/2022 10:34

He must have been trying so hard over those 7 weeks not to let his mask slip.

splishsplashsploshsplish · 01/05/2022 10:36

OMG! What a Bastard!

To be honest, I would not be able to get past the spelling mistakes either. Ugh.

JollyWilloughby · 01/05/2022 10:47

@IsabelaMadrigal

Dick pandering. Love that.

So pleased I was originally in the 70 percent camp. Some womens bars are far too low unfortunately.

LittlePearl · 01/05/2022 10:59

Limebazil · 01/05/2022 09:29

I'm replaying every interaction now and yes I think there were a few potential red flags that I definitely did miss.
He was quite complimentary about my appearance but a few times after he said something nice he said something not so nice afterwards. So I met him in the cinema once and he said I looked "hot" in the jeans I was wearing but then followed it by "I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight" I said "what do you mean by that?" And then he backtracked and said it was worded badly and that he's an "ass man" and was trying to pay me a compliment. I should have told him to f$%k off there and then.

Wow, OP. What a complete and utter shit. So glad you realised before you wasted any more time on him, he sounds utterly vile.

IsabelaMadrigal · 01/05/2022 11:03

What particularly bothers me is how many women thought it reasonable for him to 'call her out' over something she had no control over.
We're not talking about hygiene here, it's her natural bodily fluids working as they should and tasting like bodily fluids. Yes, they'll be different depending on the cycle or the person, but it's absolutely a pot luck aspect of herself she can't change.
Like pubic hair, already mentioned, large labia or breast size, these are natural parts of our body that come in all shapes, 'tastes' and sizes. The fact that so many jumped to the conclusion she should change herself is quite depressing, but does explain why plastic surgeons are doing big business.
Even if she did taste 'strong', his choice to that is to leave her and find someone more to his, uh, taste. It is not his right to coerce her into trying to change an unchangeable body feature.

Scianel · 01/05/2022 11:34

IsabelaMadrigal absolutely. OP rightly recognised something very off about his behavour yet she had handmaidens on here insisting that he was great and she smelled of stale piss.

CarrieCookie · 01/05/2022 11:34

Hatinafield · 30/04/2022 22:41

Jeez, no wonder the man from Del Monte said yes! 😜

😆🤣😂

ParisNoir · 01/05/2022 12:08

"I love your confidence most girls with big bums don't like to wear jeans that tight"

This is almost straight out of the man's guide to negging. It couldnt be more text book classic negging if it tried. He is a bellend and you are well rid of him. I pity the next woman he dates.

TruthHertz · 01/05/2022 12:30

"Wow, well its true what they say about it not being the size that matters but what you do with it." Bet he wouldn't have liked that. 😂

SeedyBloomer · 01/05/2022 12:42

His comment about your arse screams ‘negging’…with the benefit of hindsight. Most of us would want to see the best in someone and excuse this as clumsy phrasing, or see it as a bit of a backhanded compliment but softened by the proper compliment.

I guess really what we all need to do is ask ourselves if we want to be with men who seem surprised that we have confidence or who feel it’s ok to comment negatively on our bodies and tell us our arses are big etc etc without them knowing us well enough to know it is okay to. I wouldn’t comment on a new bloke’s paunch in bed, or a receding hair line, or semen taste. Imagine saying to a guy, ‘most men with flabby pecs wouldn’t wear a shirt that tight but I love your confidence!’ That’s not a compliment. It’s fucking rude.

I once dated a guy who in the early days was cuddled up with me and one of my boobs was bolstered by my arm and the other wasn’t. He said, ‘one of your tits is bigger than the other, isn’t it?’ Now, that’s not the case. Not unless we are talking about an imperceptible millimetre. But the fact that he thought it was okay to say it out of the blue, presumably knowing that if I did have one noticeably bigger I’d probably be quite self conscious about it, was enough for me to end it. No tact, no sensitivity, and thought it was okay to scrutinise my body and draw attention to anything that he thought was a fault. I then remembered other things he’d said and it was like a whole catalogue of minor digs and chipping away.

The bloke you met was a first class tosser. Repulsive email, and it all smacks of him hating your confidence and wanting to bring you down a peg or two by insulting your self-esteem, your sense of your desirability, your breasts, your bottom, your taste, your ability to choose not to speak to him again. Fuck him. Your red flag filter is working like it should.

TheCatterall · 01/05/2022 12:44

My partners semen wasnt the nicest and I asked him to consider changing his diet so the experience was nicer for me.

admittedly I didn’t do it straight after the deed… if he hadn’t off made changes I wouldn’t be as keen on oral sex and wouldnt feel I could talk openly about sex etc if he wasn’t open to such conversations.

but honestly if you knew you tasted a bit ‘full on’ and knew it was a possibility as you dont drink enough water - why would you not want things to improve.

I think its a combination of your own insecurities and bad timing on his behalf.

at least he’s open to Frank conversations- just work on his delivery/timing.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 12:45

TheCatterall · 01/05/2022 12:44

My partners semen wasnt the nicest and I asked him to consider changing his diet so the experience was nicer for me.

admittedly I didn’t do it straight after the deed… if he hadn’t off made changes I wouldn’t be as keen on oral sex and wouldnt feel I could talk openly about sex etc if he wasn’t open to such conversations.

but honestly if you knew you tasted a bit ‘full on’ and knew it was a possibility as you dont drink enough water - why would you not want things to improve.

I think its a combination of your own insecurities and bad timing on his behalf.

at least he’s open to Frank conversations- just work on his delivery/timing.

You might want to read her most recent posts. He's since emailed her calling her a cunt and criticising the rest of her body. So her instincts about him were correct. He sounds absolutely vile.

Loopytiles · 01/05/2022 12:55

😂at the man from del monte joke

Rainbowcrochet · 01/05/2022 13:07

As a lesbian I can confirm that drinking water doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Taste can vary from woman to woman and depending on where she is in her cycle. I've gone down on girls who are literally on the brink of dehydration (raves in the 90s amirite) and others who were clean eating water guzzling ladies and honestly they tasted pretty much the same (I've yet to meet one I didn't enjoy haha)
This guy was clearly negging gaslighting and I'm so glad you saw him for what he was despite the previous posters suggesting you were the problem.

SockFluffInTheBath · 01/05/2022 13:47

You might want to read her most recent posts. He's since emailed her calling her a cunt and criticising the rest of her body. So her instincts about him were correct. He sounds absolutely vile.

What an absolute delight.

GiraffesMightFly · 01/05/2022 14:09

Limebazil · 30/04/2022 21:15

I recieved this email from him. He's an absolute prick. Can you block emails? Is there a way to do that?

So abusive an illiterate. What a catch?! Good swerve, OP.

JollyWilloughby · 01/05/2022 14:13

@Rainbowcrochet

Exactly. Much of a muchness. If you’re clean your vagina will taste like a vagina.

All those women ridiculously suggesting to the OP to drink more water and be grateful for his honesty was the most disturbing thing I’ve ever read on mumsnet.