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Original poster

Scared my partner will be taken from me

362 replies

Derrymare · 29/04/2022 21:46

Please don't judge me but I have been in a relationship for 6 years with a Pakistani national he has been in the country 10 years.
We have lived together 5 years and we are very close. He supports me emotionally as I suffer from depression adhd etc I can't imagine life without him.
The homeoffice refused him any kind of stay and its going to appeal but I'm so worried that the judge will refuse.
We was refused because they say our relationship didn't start at least 2 years before he seeked asylum and that he hasn't been in the UK 20 continuous years.
We don't have any children to help our case and I don't meet the financial requirements.

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Sortilege · 30/04/2022 19:09

How old is he?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2022 19:10

We are hoping the judge will overturn the homeoffice refusal and let us stay together

On what basis though? On the basis he is an asylum seeker? I don't know how you can think it would be appropriate for him to say he is one when he isn't seeking asylum from persecution or serious human rights violations, he just wants to keep living here. This is what an asylum seeker is:

"An asylum-seeker is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in another country, but who hasn't yet been legally recognized as a refugee and is waiting to receive a decision on their asylum claim."

SinaraSmith · 30/04/2022 19:12

On what grounds do you expect the judge to overturn it?

Sortilege · 30/04/2022 19:12

Is he older than 25?

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:17

We are not expecting it to be granted on the asylum side but in human rights.
Sorry to say this but the homeoffice took 4 years to invite him for his interview which enabled us to build our relationship even further not our fault. Solicitor is saying the same it's immoral for them to leave 2 people alone living like husband and wife than to pop up and expect them to separate regardless of past mistakes. Thats part of our argument.

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Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:18

Yes older than 25

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newbiename · 30/04/2022 19:18

Again , what human rights have been violated?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2022 19:19

We are not expecting it to be granted on the asylum side but in human rights

What human rights will he be claiming are being violated currently?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2022 19:19

How did you meet him OP?

Onwards22 · 30/04/2022 19:20

Have you looked at what happens if he’s sent home.
Could you then legally marry and then he move back?

Changechangychange · 30/04/2022 19:20

SausagePourHomme · 30/04/2022 12:19

I think it's time to prepare yourself for him going back, and put in place what you need to cope after that.

Pakistan is not a dangerous country for a young man. There's no grounds for him to claim asylum over what sounds like a personal dispute.

Was there actually any dispute?

It was only brought up six years after he overstayed, when he was about to be deported and needed an excuse to claim asylum. And he’s keen to go back and visit his family once he’s allowed.

I don’t think even OP is suggesting the dispute is anything other than a fabrication he’s come up with to allow him to stay on.

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:21

We have built our life together in those 4 years that the incompetent homeoffice took to invite him for interview and they think it's okay to just split us up.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2022 19:22

Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:21

We have built our life together in those 4 years that the incompetent homeoffice took to invite him for interview and they think it's okay to just split us up.

Is this what you are claiming is the human rights violation?

It is nowhere near any threshold for being described as a human rights violation. At all.

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:22

The right to continue the relationship we have maintained over the years.

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Changechangychange · 30/04/2022 19:23

Derrymare · 30/04/2022 18:12

Pakistan is awful for low wages and corruption.

He’s not going to be granted ILR on human rights grounds because Pakistan has low wages Confused

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:24

He made a mistake he has learnt from it. I won't let them separate us after 6 years without a fight.

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AlternativePerspective · 30/04/2022 19:25

Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:17

We are not expecting it to be granted on the asylum side but in human rights.
Sorry to say this but the homeoffice took 4 years to invite him for his interview which enabled us to build our relationship even further not our fault. Solicitor is saying the same it's immoral for them to leave 2 people alone living like husband and wife than to pop up and expect them to separate regardless of past mistakes. Thats part of our argument.

This is madness.

When he was released from detention he wasn’t granted leave to remain in the UK. Building a relationship with someone who was here illegally and who you absolutely 100% knew would have to face that fact was your choice.

You can’t possibly claim that your human rights have been breached when you knowingly entered into a relationship with an illegal immigrant who was going to be deported at some point.

Changechangychange · 30/04/2022 19:25

Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:22

The right to continue the relationship we have maintained over the years.

You can move to Pakistan though! Or apply for a visa to a third country? As anyone who falls in love with somebody from overseas does. I have a friend living in Israel right now because his Brazilian girlfriend can’t move here… this is just what the UK (and Canadian, and US) immigration systems are like.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2022 19:25

Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:22

The right to continue the relationship we have maintained over the years.

It's not a human right to remain in a relationship in a country you've stayed in illegally I'm afraid.

I'm deeply, deeply concerned if someone you're paying to advise or represent you legally has told you that is a human rights violation. They can't have? If they have then you're being had.

Have you / be done due diligence finding this person advising you legally? He was 'had' once before by the person who left him at the airport.

This person is not giving you good advice if they've told you that is a human rights violation. I'd be concerned they were dodgy as fuck.

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:26

Once again I never suggested the low wages has been a reason for asylum it was in reference to a previous poster who suggested he can work there and support me.

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saraclara · 30/04/2022 19:26

newbiename · 30/04/2022 19:18

Again , what human rights have been violated?

This will explain to you and others, how the appeal for someone who has a family or long term partner here can appeal based on their human right to family and private life in the UK, which appears to be the basis of OP's partners case.

righttoremain.org.uk/toolkit/humanrights/

Original poster
Derrymare · 30/04/2022 19:27

I did research our solicitor he comes recommended with good reviews.

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saraclara · 30/04/2022 19:28

Sorry, bit of a word salad there after I tried to change the wording of my post and forgot to delete the other bits.

'can appeal based' should be 'can BE based'

Chilledchablis1 · 30/04/2022 19:28

How did you meet him ?

AlternativePerspective · 30/04/2022 19:28

Ok I’m leaving this thread now because frankly you’re deluded.

Everything you have done here has been through choice.

He willingly travelled to the UK and overstayed his visa. That’s not mistake it’s illegal.

He has knowingly lived with you for the past 6 years knowing he does not have leave to remain here.

Your relationship status is completely irrelevant. Your relationship was your choice, the only person to blame if this relationship has to end is him.

And frankly the sooner he’s deported the better.