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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

AIBU?

This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 15:14

Niamh Donohoe, Fiona's trusted sister, on Twitter:
2 hours ago
'We feel Noah's case is so complex and has such a wide scope of issues that the Coronial Inquest is no longer the suitable arena to deal with it. To obtain Justice and make change for all our children a Public Inquiry should be sought'.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 16:26

Bumping for Active 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 16:27

Try again...

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VeganGod · 28/04/2022 16:29

#PublicInquiryForNoahDonohoe

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mumsiedarlingrevolta · 28/04/2022 16:34

I am so horrified by this story and want to offer my support to Noah's brilliant Mum Fiona and his family.

I have asked @MNHQ to pin a previous thread on Active. I have bumped threads and signed petitions. I think @MNHQ could do better.

I am frustrated by the dismal support-how on earth is his poor Mum feeling??

We are all behind you Fiona. Keep fighting.

And for all of the other Mum's/Dad's on this thread-do remember
"there but for the grace of God go I"...

@MNettersForNoahAndFiona thanks for the thread

VeganGod · 28/04/2022 16:35

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 28/04/2022 16:34

I am so horrified by this story and want to offer my support to Noah's brilliant Mum Fiona and his family.

I have asked @MNHQ to pin a previous thread on Active. I have bumped threads and signed petitions. I think @MNHQ could do better.

I am frustrated by the dismal support-how on earth is his poor Mum feeling??

We are all behind you Fiona. Keep fighting.

And for all of the other Mum's/Dad's on this thread-do remember
"there but for the grace of God go I"...

@MNettersForNoahAndFiona thanks for the thread

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 16:52

FIONA DONOHOE on Twitter
a hour ago
'Written instruction to Noah's legal team has now been sent formally by myself to instruct on a request for a public inquiry. A public Inquiry will be the most holistic path to find answers and highlight failings in Noah's investigation, for improvements, if needed, to be made.
Niamh and I will NOT be whitewashed and distracted by the 'hope' of a Jury...a jury is STILL controlled by the Coroner. What about THE CHALLENGE TO A PII? That should have been a PRIORITY to challenge since Nov 2020. We are NOT DISTRACTED'.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 17:47

Thank you @mumsiedarlingrevolta 💙

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 28/04/2022 18:06

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 22:11

Just out.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 22:13

Thanks for bumping the thread @SheldonesqueTheBstard 💙

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 28/04/2022 22:31

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catandcoffee · 28/04/2022 22:57

💙Noah 💙

Herja · 28/04/2022 23:01

I've just shared Fiona's petition again. Saying here to try and keep the thread visible.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 28/04/2022 23:02

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 23:03

💙 Thank you pps.

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stayathomegardener · 28/04/2022 23:06

Thinking of Fiona

frostedfruits · 28/04/2022 23:26

The police should absolutely not be allowed to withhold evidence. Its been happening for way too long. Its even currently legal for them to withhold evidence during a public enquiry. The CPS highlighted this injustice at the end of the Hillsborough case:

"Before it collapsed, the most recent Hillsborough trial highlighted the fact that police forces are not under any legal obligation to provide full information to a public inquiry. The Crown Prosecution Service has said this may be a matter which should be subject to scrutiny.
There are now growing calls for new legislation to clamp down on it.
The proposed "Hillsborough law" would place a legal duty on authorities to always be fully transparent, and to give full assistance to court proceedings, inquiries and investigations"

frostedfruits · 28/04/2022 23:30

The Hillsborough Law isvital for a proper enquiry so it would be worth joining the forces with the people lobbying for it in order to ensure a public enquiry for Noah was transparent.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 23:42

Thank you pps and especially @frostedfruits - I'm very aware of Hillsborough but, somehow, bafflingly, wasn't aware of the proposed Hillsborough Law. 💙

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 28/04/2022 23:58

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CatChant · 29/04/2022 00:01

How cruel to destroy Noah’s posters. And how futile.

Noah is remembered. One day the truth will be uncovered and it is in all our interests for it to be revealed.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 29/04/2022 00:39

Link to the previous AIBU thread, now closed to new posts but full of information:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4514507-Aibu-to-think-if-the-worst-happened-and-your-child-died-in-mysterious-circumstances-you-should-have-a-right-to-know-what-happened

Thread with petition link and more information:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Other threads:
Black Mumsnetters -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/black_mumsnetters/4519930-TW-Noah-The-PSNI-and-their-failure-to-investigate-his-death

Craicnet -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/3951182-Noah-Donohoe

Human Rights -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/human_rights/4512617--JusticeForNoahDonohoe-BrandonLewisReleaseTheFiles

First petition thread and more information -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4507415--As-its-St-Patricks-Day-today-can-I-ask-you-to-spare-5-minutes-for-Noah-Donahoe-and-his-mummy-TW

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alreadytaken · 29/04/2022 08:31

bumping.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 29/04/2022 09:25

Thank you pps. 💙

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