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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

AIBU?

This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

AIBU to want to know the truth about this?
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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 27/04/2022 22:59

tigerbear · 27/04/2022 22:21

Signed

Thank you 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 27/04/2022 23:27

catandcoffee · 27/04/2022 22:03

The numbers are not rising as they should, in this terrible case.
I only read about it on mumsnet.... is the petition on twitter and other platforms .
Why is it not getting more coverage 😒

They are not. It should be possible to reach 500k signatures in a few days but, as you rightly say, Noah's case has not and is not getting enough coverage. It is being shared on Twitter and Facebook, but needs to be shared and tagged by many more people. As Mumsnetters, we've been doing our best on here but it's been an uphill battle. We had hoped that MNHQ would get behind this mother as a campaign or at least pin a thread or make the algorithms for getting or staying in Active a bit easier. So far, that hasn't happened, although individually some are supportive. Instead, threads with the petition link have been moved to the Classifieds area where nobody goes or can find them, and/or algorithms set so that it can take up to 10 posts to get into Active but then disappear out again very quickly. We still live in hope with MNHQ. There are also those who troll and would like to see threads about Noah deleted or derailed. And then there is the almost deafening, baffling silence of the mainstream media.

So, if anybody can share Noah's story and the petition with your own friends, family, neighbours, colleagues, anybody in the public eye with lots of followers and the media, then please do.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:21

💙 Bump for Active

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:22

💙 Another bump needed for Active.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:25

Still not in Active - let's try again... 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:29

How can this still not be in Active? 💙

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VeganGod · 28/04/2022 00:44

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:29

How can this still not be in Active? 💙

I can see it in Active now. 💙

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:46

VeganGod · 28/04/2022 00:44

I can see it in Active now. 💙

Thanks. 💙

It took till my last post though...

I think our algorithms have been changed again unfortunately.

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VeganGod · 28/04/2022 00:52

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:46

Thanks. 💙

It took till my last post though...

I think our algorithms have been changed again unfortunately.

Well just keep bumping it then. 😉 People need to be aware of Noah and his mums fight for justice in order to help. 💙

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:53

FIONA DONOHOE on Twitter
20 minutes ago
'Parties are standing up saying they support a JURY...THAT should be a given. What about challenging the more worrying aspect of Noah's case: A PII. A jury is easy to have when they DONT GET TO HEAR THE MAIN INFORMATION. #JusticeForNoahDonohoe '

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 00:54

*This is Fiona talking about her application for a jury at the inquest.

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straighttalker · 28/04/2022 01:00

I think that Fiona Donohue has a right to answers and I think the PSNI should avoid all appearances of keeping those answers from her.

I also think that there may never be definitive answers here - and that does not mean that people in authority are keeping things from her. Just that they don't have the information themselves.

A post-mortem found no evidence of foul play, and a paediatric pathologist has no reason whatsoever to lie or misrepresent his findings.

Coronial dates and the coronial process is highly convoluted and there is very very little scope for deliberately planning events for certain dates, so I think the suggestion there does verge on paranoia.

I hope all concerned find some peace.

VeganGod · 28/04/2022 01:28

When people post their ‘nothing to see here’ comments, I do wonder how they explain all of the things that make no sense about Noah’s death. I won’t list them, I’m sure those people with an interest in shutting down discussion know all those things already. They can not be easily dismissed.

As for finding peace, a mother has lost her son. She needs the truth and she needs justice for Noah. I imagine there will be no peace for her until those are achieved, and maybe not even then. She has been through so much.

There must be a jury at the inquest. And they must hear the relevant information.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 08:03

Bumping for Active. 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 09:37

Another bump for Active. 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 09:38

Bump 💙

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AchillesPoirot · 28/04/2022 09:52

Fwiw I think the algorithm excludes or reduces the chances of threads showing in active when it's the same small number of posters posting.
I did a search last night and it's been complained of before going back years.

VeganGod · 28/04/2022 10:06

AchillesPoirot · 28/04/2022 09:52

Fwiw I think the algorithm excludes or reduces the chances of threads showing in active when it's the same small number of posters posting.
I did a search last night and it's been complained of before going back years.

That needs changing then doesn’t it. The only way to make more people aware of the injustice of this case and increase the numbers posting on threads like this, is to get more people aware of the case in the first place.

It would be good if Mumsnet, a parenting site, helped threads like this one, be seen.

AchillesPoirot · 28/04/2022 10:09

It's been highlighted before and mumsnet were not clear on their answers. But having looked at the previous threads that looks to me like what is happening.

Mumsnet clearly have their reasons. If it is to change, they are the ones who can adjust the algorithm. (Although in one of the threads Justine says there is no algorithm which was interesting.)

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 12:36

It would be good if Mumsnet, a parenting site, helped threads like this one, be seen.
It would indeed.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 12:39

That needs changing then doesn’t it. The only way to make more people aware of the injustice of this case and increase the numbers posting on threads like this, is to get more people aware of the case in the first place.
Exactly.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 12:47

Moving away from the algorithms now, as I don't want to derail the thread with that side issue please:

The petition currently has 305,587 signatures. Still a way to go to 500k if anyone can help. 💙

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 28/04/2022 14:16

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 14:47

I think it is important to realise what sort of people the police (PSNI) use PII certificates and other tactics to protect, and the risks and consequences for all of us of that. Robert Howard, a prolific paedophile, violent rapist and child murderer, was one such person.

TRIGGER WARNING: Sexual violence -

Robert Howard murdered a 15 year old schoolgirl Arlene Arkinson in 1994 and committed the brutal rapes over 3 days of 16 year old Priscilla Gahan in 1993. He raped and murdered 14 year old schoolgirl Hannah Williams in 2001 in England. Howard committed a string of serious sexual offences against children and women, including the attempted rape of a 6 year old child in London, and used either breaking into homes or grooming to gain access to victims.

The PSNI were also criticised over claims that the detective from Kent Police, who finally brought Robert Howard to justice, almost saw his case collapse after the PSNI told him a week before the Hannah Williams trial that intelligence suggested Arlene Arkinson was buried under her sister Kathleen’s kitchen floor, casting suspicion on her family. If true, that would have destroyed any suggestion of a pattern in Howard’s behaviour. The detective, Colin Murray, ordered tests which proved Arlene was not buried at Kathleen’s home. He also claimed the PSNI were un-cooperative with his probe and tried to dissuade him from talking to the Arkinsons as he tried to establish a pattern in Howard’s crimes. Hannah William's mother, Bernie Williams, said she was “shocked” at the previous opportunities missed to jail Howard for other crimes. Her daughter, and other victims, could have been saved.

Howard moved freely between England, Scotland, Ireland and Northern Ireland over 40 years. Don’t think a PII can’t be used against your child. This isn’t a concern for NI only. It impacts us all.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/04/2022 15:10

FIONA DONOHOE on Twitter:
2 hours ago
'1.A Public Inquiry deals with issues of "Public Concern" In #JusticeForNoahDonohoe 's case there have been many issues raised that are of "Public Concern" - The use of a PII - The lack of resources used in Investigation - Missing Person Fatigue - To name just a few.

  1. A Jury in an inquest will have restrictions on them as to what they believe the final decision can be on what happened Noah. As dictated by the Coroner. For example they may only be allowed to decide between suicide or misadventure The Coroner is still in control.
  2. We believe that a PUBLIC INQUIRY is the only way #JusticeForNoahDonohoe has any chance of being heard. Please support us on our request for #PublicInquiryForNoahDonohoe'
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