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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

AIBU?

This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 22:57

Fiona's petition on Change has 305,737 signatures so far, with a target of 500k.

If you would like to add your support by signing or signing and sharing, the link to it is in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Please remember to confirm your signature or it won't count.

Thank you 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 23:05

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 09:04

Doreen Lawrence OBE @ DLawrenceOBE on Twitter a year ago:
I as a Mother, I deserve to know the truth! Noah’s Mother deserves to know the truth! The public deserves the truth #RememberMyNoah #MyNoah #Week20 💙

Doreen is a current member of the House of Lords - Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon OBE.

Please note, Doreen tweeted her support for Fiona 20 weeks after Noah died. We are now on week 97.
If you would like to contact Doreen about Noah:
members.parliament.uk/member/4290/contact

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 23:07

Thank you pps Flowers

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 30/04/2022 23:29

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lennyloo82 · 30/04/2022 23:45

Thank you for keeping us updated on Noah. My heart is broken for his family and friends 💙💙

Fizzyfish · 30/04/2022 23:48

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 08:41

Thank you pps Flowers

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 09:01

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 09:07

CatChant · 30/04/2022 22:48

Well said @MNettersForNoahAndFiona it is not that Fiona refuses to accept the truth, it is that the investigation has been so shockingly botched that no one can be sure what is the truth.

That would be wholly unacceptable in any police inquiry. In one that concerns the death of a child it is utterly appalling.

The unanswered questions aren’t going to go away. They will haunt the PSNI until they are answered. If any officer of that force doubts it they should consider the long battles for the truth about Stephen Lawrence’s murder and the Hillsborough disaster.

Truth and justice are always worth seeking. Please consider helping by signing Fiona’s petition.

There was some talk of the current PSNI Chief Constable Simon Byrne returning to the Met Police to take over from Cressida Dick.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 10:14

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/10/who-might-replace-cressida-dick-as-met-commissioner

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 01/05/2022 14:51

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 17:55

Thank you pp 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 17:57

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 18:04

Fiona's petition on Change has 305,775 signatures so far, with a target of 500k.

If you would like to add your support by signing or signing and sharing, the link to it is in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Please remember to confirm your signature or it won't count.

Thank you 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 18:05

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ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 18:56

Please read what Fiona has said here.
This was not an accident.
She deserves a full investigation in to why her boy never came home.
Noah 💙

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ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 19:04

If it was your child, that went out to meet his friends, that didn't call when he said he would, that you spent 6 frantic days searching for, until finally the police arrived at your doorstep to tell you they found his body - would you accept this?
Our would you fight, day in day out, until the truth of what happened your baby was uncovered?
In public for everyone to see.
For that child you carried, loved unconditionally, got the justice he deserves?
Fiona deserves that 💙

ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 19:06

I don't know how I'd keep going. I don't know how Fiona gets out of bed and faces each day, with the battle she's had to fight since Sunday 21st June 2020.

ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 19:07

But she does.
She fights for her boy.
For Noah
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ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 19:14

If you would like to help her keep up the pressure on the NI authorities so that the truth of what happened to her Noah comes out, please sign the petition which can be found in the op oft
this thread

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 01/05/2022 19:41

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lennyloo82 · 01/05/2022 19:59

Petition signed. Is there anything else we can do?

ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 20:05

Look at his beautiful sleeping face
My heart just breaks every time I see a picture of him.
I've taken so many similar pictures with my own beautiful boy
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ReiltinDubh · 01/05/2022 20:09

lennyloo82 · 01/05/2022 19:59

Petition signed. Is there anything else we can do?

Thank you @lennyloo82 💙
Share to your sm, I've found WhatsApp a good way to share as you start a conversation 💙
The more people that hear Noah's story the more sunlight there is on the powers that be.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 01/05/2022 20:19

Thank you pps. Flowers

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