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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

AIBU?

This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

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Shepandawing · 30/04/2022 20:25

It's an awful situation but there are a very many reasons that the police would not disclose all information about how they conduct investigations. There are certainly many reasons why they would not release files that contained details of third parties.

When someone we love dies we often have a lot of anger and not always somewhere to channel that anger.

This is a horrific situation for any parent and I hope they find some peace

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 30/04/2022 20:26

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DinosaurDuvet · 30/04/2022 20:30

Unfortunately the PSNI must be the most useless and corrupt police service ever. A shiny new name didn’t take away their past nor add anything new & improved. It’s rotten to the core and totally inept.

Either they are completely useless or corrupt.

Poor Fiona & Noah 💙 I hope she gets the answers she deserves

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 21:36

Shepandawing · 30/04/2022 20:25

It's an awful situation but there are a very many reasons that the police would not disclose all information about how they conduct investigations. There are certainly many reasons why they would not release files that contained details of third parties.

When someone we love dies we often have a lot of anger and not always somewhere to channel that anger.

This is a horrific situation for any parent and I hope they find some peace

I have to wonder how much you know about Noah's case and the many outstanding questions about his disappearance and death and about the 'investigation' or lack of it, the historic use and abuse of PIIs, about the police officer Muir Clark who immediately made the 'No Foul Play' announcement, whether you have read my posts or other posters on the threads with some of this information, for example or read more widely?

This is not a case of a grieving mother who cannot accept the truth. This is a case of a grieving mother who only wants the truth.

Peace will only come through the truth and through justice for Noah.

This requires a new and independent investigation and a public inquiry.

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DinosaurDuvet · 30/04/2022 20:30

Unfortunately the PSNI must be the most useless and corrupt police service ever. A shiny new name didn’t take away their past nor add anything new & improved. It’s rotten to the core and totally inept.

Either they are completely useless or corrupt.

Poor Fiona & Noah 💙 I hope she gets the answers she deserves

There are some good apples within the rotten barrel. I hope they whistleblow.

belfastmedia.com/waiting-on-one-brave-psni-officer-to-do-right-by-noah

Unfortunately the politicians, or the vast majority of them, seem to have done little more for the last nearly 2 years than stay silent, want photo opportunities and stand up talks with Fiona and pay lip service.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/04/2022 22:29

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CatChant · 30/04/2022 22:48

Well said @MNettersForNoahAndFiona it is not that Fiona refuses to accept the truth, it is that the investigation has been so shockingly botched that no one can be sure what is the truth.

That would be wholly unacceptable in any police inquiry. In one that concerns the death of a child it is utterly appalling.

The unanswered questions aren’t going to go away. They will haunt the PSNI until they are answered. If any officer of that force doubts it they should consider the long battles for the truth about Stephen Lawrence’s murder and the Hillsborough disaster.

Truth and justice are always worth seeking. Please consider helping by signing Fiona’s petition.

CatChant · 30/04/2022 22:51

Remember Noah.

CatChant · 30/04/2022 22:53

Remember the lovely, smiling boy who never came home.

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